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a pretty toy gun...

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Gatling:

--- Quote from: Leham Kash on September 27, 2010, 05:06:17 pm ---plus, a minigun shall win against a power fist or fastshot pistol, these are support, not minigun.

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Unless someone fights indoors with a power fist and beats your head in while you're opening doors or such.

Leham Kash:

--- Quote ---The initial supposition is false. Avengers still do more damage than a Plasma Rifle, as both theory and testing show. The only genuine point about Miniguns is that they are now too expensive to maintain - which will be fixed up at some point.
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in great respect for your calculations and laboratory tests, this is not the case in much TC situations, plasma critics still beats.

And even if i m false with it, I think avenger still need better dmg, with another kind of malus elsewhere.

borse:

--- Quote from: gorkser on September 30, 2010, 11:17:01 am ---I think it would be a good idea to increase minigun damage, but to give minigun some drawback, like the scoped hunting rifle.
Like maybe 80% reduced hit chances if target distance is 3 hexes or lower.

In reality miniguns are not used by infantry, but lets think of the minigun as a heavy machine gun (which it is).
In close combat, at HtH range, the soldier with a bayonet on his assault rifle, or even the trained soldier with a club (e.g. were used in WW1 in trench warfare)
would beat the shit out of a machine gunner. You simply cannot aim that fast at low distance with a heavy machine gun.
Before you start argumenting, that it would be unfair to give the guy with low-cost equipment the advantage:
If someone comes close enough to attack you with melee weapons or HtT, while you use a minigun, than you made some serious mistakes, or you are simply out of ammo.

If you don´t agree with this, then ask yourself why all armys arround the world still use sniper rifles, bayonets, pistols and assault rifles and not simply equip all their soldiers with real (but normal) machine guns like the MG42. This one has 1500rpm, with only 10,6kg weight, while being relatively cheap and simple to build, as it is a german ww2 machine gun.
A real minigun does ~6000rpm, but weight is at least 16kg, without ammo. As you need alot of it, you are likely to have 30kg and more.
Try to lift something with that much weight and do fast, controlled movement with this, stopping at just the position you want to. No chance!
Thats a weopon for tripods, aircrafts and maybe supermutans and people in power armor.

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Rather than making them more powerful, why not lower their upkeep costs? drop the price of 5mm ammo by 1 or 2 caps.

Cultist:
Avengers with brd do 480-600 damage, plasma doesn't even come close to that.

Crazy:

--- Quote from: Cultist on September 30, 2010, 08:03:31 pm ---Avengers with brd do 480-600 damage, plasma doesn't even come close to that.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAhahaha.... not funny.
Even at point blank it doesn't deal so much damage... Well maybe with JHP on a bluesuit wiythout toughness? But that's all. We are talking about TC fight.
Since the alpha strike and the general DPS have been nerfed, it's far better to do a nasty 100 dmg blinding crit, or even just a 60 blinding (and if you're lucky, you gonna make twice damage than that and immediately kill your opponent) than to do 2 burst for 160 dmg which gonna be healed just after. And you can fire your plasma rifle twice, like the minigun...

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