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Changelog 08/09/2010
Crazy:
There is definitely something wrong on your math: since wipe, I have NEVER deal 100 damage on a BA with an avenger without crits (and I have BRD)
Also, an avenger which supposed to be highiest tier in this game, with highest cost for weapon and ammo, which deal less damage than LSW because no appropriate perk... Beuargh.
Hololasima:
I have 2x BRD and 25 critic chance.
Critical Hit for 69 damage to BA from Avenger and Critical Hit for 145 damage to BA from LSW
As Crazy, i never had damage arroud 100 with Avenger.
There is something wrong with your math. Also you have "tested" it on paper and i have tested it in combat.
Sir Hubert:
in this wipe avenger sux. We tested it with solar in our base 1 hour average with lsw in 10 hits was 88.9 dmg from avanger was 82 dmg
Solar:
I think you're misremembering that ;)
Avenger was averaging higher than the LSW, as it should, even in that test.
I've just finished testing them both vs Bob who had BA stats, set to not deteriorate. To quote the log:
--- Quote ---BRDx2: ok, ill try 20 shots, discounting any crits
11:46:35 • Gorlak was hit for 40 hit points.
11:46:37 • Gorlak was hit for 84 hit points.
11:46:41 • Gorlak was hit for 67 hit points.
11:46:45 • Gorlak was hit for 58 hit points.
11:46:48 • Gorlak was hit for 94 hit points.
11:46:52 • Gorlak was hit for 96 hit points.
11:46:55 • Gorlak was hit for 93 hit points.
11:46:59 • Gorlak was hit for 88 hit points.
11:47:03 • Gorlak was hit for 76 hit points.
11:47:06 • Gorlak was hit for 98 hit points.
11:47:10 • Gorlak was hit for 61 hit points.
11:47:14 • Gorlak was hit for 85 hit points.
11:47:17 • Gorlak was hit for 96 hit points.
11:47:21 • Gorlak was hit for 64 hit points.
11:47:25 • Gorlak was hit for 54 hit points.
11:47:28 • Gorlak was hit for 94 hit points.
11:47:32 • Gorlak was hit for 74 hit points.
11:47:36 • Gorlak was hit for 92 hit points.
11:47:39 • Gorlak was hit for 93 hit points.
11:47:43 • Gorlak was hit for 94 hit points.
11:47:47 • BRDx2: ok, theres 20
11:47:50 • BRDx2: now LSW
11:47:55 • Gorlak: wait
11:47:55 • Gorlak was hit for 90 hit points.
11:47:59 • Gorlak was hit for 40 hit points.
11:48:01 • Gorlak was hit for 104 hit points.
11:48:05 • Gorlak: maniac
11:48:05 • Gorlak was hit for 85 hit points.
11:48:08 • Gorlak was hit for 73 hit points.
11:48:12 • Gorlak was hit for 60 hit points.
11:48:16 • Gorlak was hit for 72 hit points.
11:48:19 • Gorlak was hit for 80 hit points.
11:48:23 • Gorlak was hit for 72 hit points.
11:48:27 • Gorlak was hit for 78 hit points.
11:48:31 • Gorlak was hit for 93 hit points.
11:48:34 • Gorlak was hit for 84 hit points.
11:48:38 • Gorlak was hit for 80 hit points.
11:48:41 • Gorlak was hit for 89 hit points.
11:48:45 • Gorlak was hit for 82 hit points.
11:48:49 • Gorlak was hit for 92 hit points.
11:48:52 • Gorlak was hit for 23 hit points.
11:48:56 • Gorlak was hit for 93 hit points.
11:49:00 • Gorlak was hit for 25 hit points.
11:49:03 • Gorlak was hit for 75 hit points.
11:49:06 • BRDx2: ok, 20
--- End quote ---
To save you having to add them up - Avenger total of 20 shots 1601 (Average of 80) LSW total 1400 (Average of 70)
Meaning the avenger is doing an average of 15% more damage, even in this test. I would actually expect the avenger to pull even further ahead as the sample increased
RavenousRat:
--- Quote from: Crazy on September 17, 2010, 11:38:58 pm ---There is definitely something wrong on your math: since wipe, I have NEVER deal 100 damage on a BA with an avenger without crits (and I have BRD)
Also, an avenger which supposed to be highiest tier in this game, with highest cost for weapon and ammo, which deal less damage than LSW because no appropriate perk... Beuargh.
--- End quote ---
--- Quote from: Hololasima on September 17, 2010, 11:50:01 pm ---I have 2x BRD and 25 critic chance.
Critical Hit for 69 damage to BA from Avenger and Critical Hit for 145 damage to BA from LSW
As Crazy, i never had damage arroud 100 with Avenger.
There is something wrong with your math. Also you have "tested" it on paper and i have tested it in combat.
--- End quote ---
Well I don't know bullets from burst to hit %, so probably avenger deals less damage, because atleast 40th (14th in central hex) bullet will miss, if each bullet has penalty from 95%, not from your skill (for example you have 150% to hit, and every bullet will give penalty X% to 150%, so you'll have 95%, 95%, 95% etc for few fist bullets, then you need really high skill), if it gives penalty to 95%, then you need skill only to have 95% on the first bullet and then damage will be affected only by real life luck, because sometimes all 14 can hit, sometimes only half of them, sometimes only 1 or 2 bullets. While for LSW it's only 10 bullets, 10 much less than 40, so you have much more % that all bullets will hit, you need only 4 for central hex, so LSW requires less real life luck or... less BG skill, if each bullet gives penalty to it, not to 95%.
Probably you know better ToHit% for bursting weapon, and you know how much % removed from each next bullet in burst, then you can calculate it yourself.
All I can say with my math, that I think not all 14 bullets hits your target, try to test it in point blank, I think it's harder to miss all 40 bullets and all 10 bullets... may be, as I said I don't know from what to reduce % and how much.
For example every bullet gives -4% to hit from your skill or base ToHit% before setting it to 95%.
Then you need 4x40=160% skill only to have all bullets from avenger hit with 95%.
+95% for 95% for first bullet.
+4% per hex between you and target.
-8% for every PE higher than 2.
So with 7 PE, it's 5x8=40%.
For example at range of 10 it negates 7 PE bonus, because of 40-40=0.
so it's 160+95=255% BG skill to 0 AC target.
And if target has like 30 AC, it's 285% BG skill.
*Again it was an example, if each bullet reduces ToHit on 4%, it can be 2% or 5%, I don't know, also if it reduces from 95%, then you don't need to high skill, but you need your real life luck, so 2nd bullet will have 91%, 3rd 87%, etc. so you may hit only with first few bullets, again, depending on how much % each bullet reduces.
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