Other > Closed suggestions
GM abuse counteraction, GM activity to be made transparent
Nice_Boat:
--- Quote from: Pozzo on July 19, 2010, 02:44:27 pm ---It is not prohibited, yes. But if you act like this don't be surprised that nobody like you :)
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Actually, quite a few people like me, GMs included. Furthermore, I don't think that GMs should follow their personal tastes and sympathies when doing their job. When they log in on their GM account, they should follow the guidelines and treat everyone equally. What you're doing is providing more corroborating evidence that they don't, so once again - thank you for doing that.
--- Quote from: Pozzo on July 19, 2010, 02:44:27 pm ---Maybe you didn't noticed but you are not the entire world, Nice Boat. I know this is hard for you to understand but you are just a player like others. Anyway, in english "you" can mean just you or a group of people
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I know I'm not, what does it have to do with this thread? Oh, and in English (capital letter here) "you" when referring to a group of people means the person you are talking to (in this case me) and the buddies of the aforementioned individual. So yeah, you insulted me for no reason and you keep on trolling.
Pozzo:
--- Quote ---Actually, quite a few people like me, GMs included. Furthermore, I don't think that GMs should follow their personal tastes and sympathies when doing their job. When they log in on their GM account, they should follow the guidelines and treat everyone equally. What you're doing is providing more corroborating evidence that they don't, so once again - thank you for doing that.
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Yes, GMs ar humans, shame on them.
But words I say are not evidence, or maybe you think my words are God words. I'am flattered :D
What I wanted to point is : you feel paranoiac not because GMs act against you but just because they don't like you. You feel that they don't like you so you become paranoiac. This is not evidence this is psychology.
Nice_Boat:
--- Quote from: Pozzo on July 19, 2010, 02:57:14 pm ---Yes, GMs ar humans, shame on them.
But words I say are not evidence, or maybe you think my words are God words. I'am flattered :D
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You say that the GMs your group are affiliated with are not impartial, and you are an important member of this group so whatever you say about stuff like that carries quite a heavy weight. Should have kept your mouth shut, now it's too late.
--- Quote from: Pozzo on July 19, 2010, 02:57:14 pm ---What I wanted to point is : you feel paranoiac not because GMs act against you but just because they don't like you. You feel that they don't like you so you become paranoiac. This is not evidence this is psychology.
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No. I feel "paranoiac" because I, along with people known to me, am being harassed by GMs from time to time for no legitimate reason, and I see inexplainable things happening around me on occasions (which suddenly become surprisingly obvious if you consider GM involvement). Personal feelings between me and certain GMs have nothing to do with this, as everything I say here is based on facts. On the other hand you are trying to bring emotions to the table acting as if arguments based on emotions had the same weight as the ones based on facts. They don't. Please stop derailing this thread talking about me, my relationships with other people, my psychological states and who you or your GMs like or dislike, because it's absolutely unneeded and irrelevant.
Right now, 3 issues need to be discussed:
#1 - would access to GM logs for GMs and the three "watchdogs" be disagreeable with anyone?
EDIT, because I forgot:
- whenever a GM performs an action related to a player character, the aforementioned player receives a text message what exactly was changed, who did it and what the effect is.
#3 - would you agree to have 3 watchdogs each from one of the groups of the big three? I don't see how we could choose one and the selection should be balanced to keep things fair, so perhaps someone could offer another criteria if the ones I proposed aren't acceptable?
#4 - mostly everyone agrees it's okay, so should the development of server rules get its separate thread or should it be left to Devs and GMs?
... let's focus on that.
Pozzo:
--- Quote ---You say that the GMs your group are affiliated with are not impartial, and you are an important member of this group so whatever you say about stuff like that carries quite a heavy weight. Should have kept your mouth shut, now it's too late.
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Nobody is impartial. Maybe they don't like you and they like us. But also they may like other people I don't know in this game.
I have never seen Izual for a month. Shangalar belongs to an ennemy team (TCB) and we fight against this team all day long so I don't know why he would help my team. And you said by yourself that Jovanka doesn't like PKs like your team but.... Jovanka is not from my team. So ?
--- Quote ---No. I feel "paranoiac" because I, along with people known to me, am being harassed by GMs from time to time for no legitimate reason, and I see inexplainable things happening around me on occasions (which suddenly become surprisingly obvious if you consider GM involvement). Personal feelings between me and certain GMs have nothing to do with this, as everything I say here is based on facts. On the other hand you are trying to bring emotions to the table acting as if arguments based on emotions had the same weight as the ones based on facts. They don't. Please stop derailing this thread talking about me, my relationships with other people, my psychological states and who you or your GMs like or dislike, because it's absolutely unneeded and irrelevant.
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I don't see any fact in this thread, only accusations and emotions ::)
Nice_Boat:
--- Quote from: Pozzo on July 19, 2010, 03:15:30 pm ---Nobody is impartial.
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Right. The problem starts when people who should be are not even trying. That's why I think that having controllers with different gang backgrounds is going to work in a very reliable, impossible to exploit way - each one of them will be biased in a specific direction, and with three of them everything will be covered and no abuse of GM power will be possible.
--- Quote from: Pozzo on July 19, 2010, 03:15:30 pm ---I don't see any fact in this thread, only accusations and emotions ::)
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Troll harder. This thread would be relevant even if there were no instances of GM abuse at all, because the system as it stands allows it. If you didn't notice, we're trying to reach a consensus here as to what should be done to eliminate such a possibility.
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