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Smallgun balance and ammo types
Midnight:
Following the thread on discution about someone wanting to play SMG i made a little excel file to have damages done by some SG as clear as possible.
The issue is i come to stupid results and i wanted to now where was the trick. Am i wrong in my formulas somewhere. I go to the point where many SG are useless, but even ammos are useless, like 10mm AP and 5mm AP.
I tryed P90c and 10mm SMG with both type ammos and JHP type give better damages on all kind of armor. It's the same with Assault rifle/XL70E3 with 5mm JHP.
I did
(weapon damages * ammo mod - DTarmor)* min(1;1-(DRarmor+DRammo)/100)
Drakonis:
i agree that some SG are useless, but only in PVP. XL is a cheap and quite accurate weapon that allows your to snipe ghouls and other pray, and p90c happens to be the best small guns burst weapon that is actually quite good in PK. Small gunners should be happy- just look down at energy weapon users :D
GroeneAppel:
Try using 10mm ap vs enclave and then use 10mm jhp. You will notice a huge difference.
Midnight:
ok it has been moved, but i don't wanted to make suggestion before being sure of the formula, no mater.
--- Quote from: GroeneAppel on May 18, 2010, 11:27:55 am ---Try using 10mm ap vs enclave and then use 10mm jhp. You will notice a huge difference.
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Sorry GroeneAppel but it's untrue, if the formula is right, 10mm JHP are stronger than 10mm AP no matter what you try, and it's the same for 5mm, because of ammo modifier and ammor DT that exactly compensate the DR granted. And what dommage amount do you expect a weapon with 12-16 dommages will do against an armor with 15 DT? Whithout any doubt i can awnser you, so HPA and APA are off topic.
I was trying to see if my suggestions given in this thread http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=4552.0 were balanced, and some of things that comes out are quite annoying.
Assault rifle with best ammo is weaker than Grease gun, and 10mm SMG, i must say ewww ...
Actually even what i proposed in the other thread is not enought to make most of weapons sligtly interresting only P90c remain interresting, and FN Fal HFPA ...
Have a look here :
Drakonis please don't start trolling, you want to balance EW go ahead and do it on another thread, i was thinking to had the same thing for all weapon once i had confirm of my formula, but see how you start trolling this thread, i will not.
If the formula is wrong i ll have to change it a bit but since nobody told me i was wrong i suppose it's right.
Drakonis:
--- Quote from: Midnight on May 18, 2010, 03:15:26 pm ---ok it has been moved, but i don't wanted to make suggestion before being sure of the formula, no mater.
Sorry GroeneAppel but it's untrue, if the formula is right, 10mm JHP are stronger than 10mm AP no matter what you try, and it's the same for 5mm, because of ammo modifier and ammor DT that exactly compensate the DR granted. And what dommage amount do you expect a weapon with 12-16 dommages will do against an armor with 15 DT? Whithout any doubt i can awnser you, so HPA and APA are off topic.
I was trying to see if my suggestions given in this thread http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=4552.0 were balanced, and some of things that comes out are quite annoying.
Assault rifle with best ammo is weaker than Grease gun, and 10mm SMG, i must say ewww ...
Actually even what i proposed in the other thread is not enought to make most of weapons sligtly interresting only P90c remain interresting, and FN Fal HFPA ...
Have a look here :
Drakonis please don't start trolling, you want to balance EW go ahead and do it on another thread, i was thinking to had the same thing for all weapon once i had confirm of my formula, but see how you start trolling this thread, i will not.
If the formula is wrong i ll have to change it a bit but since nobody told me i was wrong i suppose it's right.
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how am I trolling? AP ammo is usefull, try to hit a guy on psycho with JHP. oh and btw: energy gunners have 4 guns, laser pistol(crap), plasma pistol(expensive short range), laser rifle(crap in PVP), plasma rifle(very expensive short range).
I mean do some tests guys. tests in game. JHP can really suck balls when VS armored guy with big DR. And I dont want to balance just EW, I wish all weapons would get pretty much balanced. In-category disbalances should be a secondary thing.
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