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Thieves
RavenousRat:
If thieves attacking you, you probably at least once attacked a thief before. I mean before last death at NCR. Even if one week ago you once attacked a thief, and never died at NCR, but you can shoot back...
But shooting back and guards killing you? Strange, sometimes it happening, but only if I'm not 100% sure it's thief. But if he failed... he must be a thief.
avv:
--- Quote from: Sephis on May 03, 2010, 08:23:08 pm --- Is murdering and thieving allowed in towns now?
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Yes and always has. Usually it has consequences.
--- Quote from: Sephis on May 03, 2010, 08:23:08 pm --- I'm level 3 and I made the shotgun and the shells to use. If he stole my ammo I can't really do much to fight him back can I?
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No you can't, unless you have ammo somewhere else.
--- Quote from: Sephis on May 03, 2010, 08:23:08 pm ---When he attacked me is he supposed to be tagged cause he wasn't. I had two rounds in my gun and he had more health then it's burst would of done damage. He was kind enough to leave my worthless sledgehammer, so I didn't have to make a new one.
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Perhaps you're an outlaw in ncr and guards won't protect you. This happens if you have done something bad in ncr or to its inhabitants.
--- Quote from: Sephis on May 03, 2010, 08:23:08 pm --- (Why do i need to kill myself so he can take the rest of my items, that hardly seems like a good system. At that point the wasteland isn't harsh, it's mildly retarded.)
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If you don't want to lie with hp less than zero you kill yourself, there's no other reason.
Sephis:
@avv
I don't think I'm an outlaw I have -95 rep with NCR and I think that was an accident with a caravan I got killed for. (I can't recall ever doing anything in town) The only things I do in town is making items because I want enough shells to go kill some scorpions and level up more. (How do I determine if I'm an outlaw if it doesn't relate to rep) Are you suggesting it's okay to steal as long as your not in trouble for it?
--- Quote from: RavenousRat on May 03, 2010, 08:36:50 pm ---If thieves attacking you, you probably at least once attacked a thief before. I mean before last death at NCR. Even if one week ago you once attacked a thief, and never died at NCR, but you can shoot back...
But shooting back and guards killing you? Strange, sometimes it happening, but only if I'm not 100% sure it's thief. But if he failed... he must be a thief.
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I never even saw the guy before I don't think I attacked him. And another guy had previously stolen some of my gunpowder and he didn't get tagged even though it said failed attempt. No I didn't try to shoot him, because he didn't get tagged. He shot me with the extra shotgun I made and the shells I had just finished. (And he didn't get tagged as dangerous or a thief for this!)
What stats determine people failing at stealing because I would of thought perception did and I have 8.
avv:
--- Quote from: Sephis on May 03, 2010, 08:45:32 pm ---I don't think I'm an outlaw I have -95 rep with NCR and I think that was an accident with a caravan I got killed for. (I can't recall ever doing anything in town) The only things I do in town is making items because I want enough shells to go kill some scorpions and level up more. (How do I determine if I'm an outlaw if it doesn't relate to rep) Are you suggesting it's okay to steal as long as your not in trouble for it?
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Perhaps you have accidentally performed some crime in ncr that had made you outlaw. It can be stealing or attacking someone. If you haven't died the same crime is still in the memory of the guards and you're still an outlaw. It's just the warning message won't appear to you when you enter that town.
--- Quote from: Sephis on May 03, 2010, 08:45:32 pm ---I never even saw the guy before I don't think I attacked him. And another guy had previously stolen some of my gunpowder and he didn't get tagged even though it said failed attempt. No I didn't try to shoot him, because he didn't get tagged. He shot me with the extra shotgun I made and the shells I had just finished. (And he didn't get tagged as dangerous or a thief for this!)
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Tagged? You mean his name didn't change red? That doesn't happen anymore. But I have no clue why the guards didn't react other than you being an outlaw for some reason. Now that I think back your experiences remind mine and I totally was an outlaw when I was shot by a thief and guards didn't react. Players cannot achieve idolized status yet so it can't be because of that.
Sephis:
I still can't think of a single thing i've done in town. and their name going redded and dangerous or thief flashing doesn't happen anymore? Does that mean if I ever see failed stealing attempt I can shoot them on the spot? Why was this changed, what if someone shoots the wrong person, or defends the outlaw on accident.
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