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[Ombra]

How the system of HtH combat works? It's pretty confusing...

Melee is HtH too or just unarmed? For example, the statistics "Melee Damage" say "the bonus damage you do in hand-to-hand combat".

So Unarmed and Melee Weapons are both HtH?
HtH Bonus (like Bonus HtH Attacks) is applied to both?

Thank you for info 

[RavenousRat]

Yes, melee and unarmed is the same, the only difference is "Unarmed" skill affects your... unarmed attacks (or with knuckles/power fists/rocks), while "Melee" with knives/spears/hammers, etc.

[Ombra]

Uhm... but what I was asking is if Hand-to-hand is Melee and Unarmed or just Unarmed, and if perks that affect HtH affect both skills as well

[vedaras]

Uhm... but what I was asking is if Hand-to-hand is Melee and Unarmed or just Unarmed, and if perks that affect HtH affect both skills as well

hth is both melee and unarmed.

[Ombra]

Thank you, that's really clear 

I just add another mechanic question with same argument:
How bonus melee damage is applied? To maximum and/or minimum damage? It works with criticals?

[Ombra]

Getting Bonus HtH Damage I found that the Melee Bonus is applied on maximum damage
The normal punch (for example) goes from 1-11 to 1-13 dmg

[gordulan]

yep, the minimum damage you do will stay the same, but the max rises according to your bonus damage

[Ombra]

mmm... I am going to "Suggestion" 

[FischiPiSti]

Dont bother...

And you also need to keep in mind that when you crit, the bonus damage is multiplied too.
So if you choose bonus hth damage, you get 2 damage to maximum, thats an avarage of +1 dmg. But when you crit, that extra +1 damage is multiplied by 2-4.
Heavy handed pretty much eliminates effective crits, but 10str+heavy handed+3*bonus damage gives +15 damage(7,5 on average) which is quite worthwhile imo. The only suckage is that fastshot doesnt work with HtH, so heavy handed isnt really worth picking now... :/

[Ombra]

I don't write in suggestion only for HtH damage, but for the whole class... apart they will not listen to me 

[vedaras]

Dont bother...

And you also need to keep in mind that when you crit, the bonus damage is multiplied too.
So if you choose bonus hth damage, you get 2 damage to maximum, thats an avarage of +1 dmg. But when you crit, that extra +1 damage is multiplied by 2-4.
Heavy handed pretty much eliminates effective crits, but 10str+heavy handed+3*bonus damage gives +15 damage(7,5 on average) which is quite worthwhile imo. The only suckage is that fastshot doesnt work with HtH, so heavy handed isnt really worth picking now... :/

but now bonus hth attacks work :>

[Ombra]

Yeah

I usually choose Heavy Handed with my Melee build, I think is a good trait if it's not a crit build...
And without Slayer I think is better than ever

[Roachor]

Since instakill crits work I'd go with a crit build, properly done you can have a 95% chance to crit and a 20% chance to instantly kill when you crit.

[Ombra]

I've read your (obsolete now) guide, Roachor... it's nice to see someone interested with melee 
Are you planning to write another one for the new "season"?

[Roachor]

I've read your (obsolete now) guide, Roachor... it's nice to see someone interested with melee 
Are you planning to write another one for the new "season"?

To be honest I'm lvling 4 chars right now and making a new unarmed one seems pretty tedious considering all the hours i already put into those types of char. I'll probably just update it for the new changes.