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Author Topic: What's with the instakill crits?  (Read 8880 times)

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What's with the instakill crits?
« on: April 11, 2010, 04:26:57 pm »

WHINE!

But seriously, what's with the instakill crits? Basically every time I encounter a dude who wants to fight with me he happens to be a super deadly sniper who instakills me. it can't be luck if 4/4 times in 1vs1 it's because of instakill crit. (1st time I didn't take a pic because thought it was just luck)







It can't be because of my stats, I've got 6 luck and endurance so that shouldn't make me especially some sort of crits sponge.
I'd love to pvp, my current char can take few blasts and return fire but if the combat ends in one shot it just lacks the feeling of "exciting fight". Especially when you absolutely cannot tell if the dude you encounter is friendly or not.

Ha, I bet some pvp oriented guys are just rubbing their hands together and smile contentedly while reading this.
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Re: What's with the instakill crits?
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2010, 04:31:47 pm »

Yeah, combat that's over in one hit doesn't entertain me. Nor am I a big fan of damage multipliers. Personal taste, I guess.

I like J.E. Sawyer's Van Buren combat philosophy though:

I'd like to see fewer damage multipliers, more crippled limbs, more severe penalties to hit the eyes, and crits that ignore a portion of the armor, but never bypass it completely.

I believe that the different called shots should be made more useful overall. Eyes is clearly "the way to go" in the first two Fallout games. It shouldn't just be a "well, duh" choice. Limb crippling should be more common, IMO. Blinding should also have even more dramatic penalties, but the chance to hit the eyes should be reduced even more.
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Re: What's with the instakill crits?
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2010, 04:36:05 pm »

Yeah, I like this philosophy too.

Anyway that happened on me too, but even WORST since I was in PvE. I was easily defeating a Slaver when it scored a critical and *bam!*:
"You have been critically hit in the eyes for 91 damage, blinded, your armor bypassed and you lose your turn:o

Seriously WTF
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Re: What's with the instakill crits?
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2010, 04:43:04 pm »

I seem to not have such luck with doing instakill criticals in PvP, though I have only died twice due to instakills in PvP.
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Re: What's with the instakill crits?
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2010, 04:51:24 pm »

Well, i dont care much about thoes instakills yet, but i agree they are imba and make SG really superior. My friend has killed few epic build BG's with >200hp with a single lucky shot while going mining. While its entertaining, it really makes SG the one and only weapon class right now. Energy is expensive as fuck to compete with it and BG is weak and even more expensive than EW.
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Re: What's with the instakill crits?
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2010, 05:36:36 pm »

Yeah, combat that's over in one hit doesn't entertain me. Nor am I a big fan of damage multipliers. Personal taste, I guess.

I like J.E. Sawyer's Van Buren combat philosophy though:

I'd like to see fewer damage multipliers, more crippled limbs, more severe penalties to hit the eyes, and crits that ignore a portion of the armor, but never bypass it completely.

I believe that the different called shots should be made more useful overall. Eyes is clearly "the way to go" in the first two Fallout games. It shouldn't just be a "well, duh" choice. Limb crippling should be more common, IMO. Blinding should also have even more dramatic penalties, but the chance to hit the eyes should be reduced even more.


Funny enough, we got it a while ago, because I bugged around so much, until we finally got a higher chance for crippleing limbs, etc. But then, oh well, nobody liked it. It's always either all or nothing--- "I kill my target or I don't like it."

The new uber-eye shots is something I don't like as well, but there will be a change soon...
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Re: What's with the instakill crits?
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2010, 05:51:24 pm »

What change ? Again ?
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Re: What's with the instakill crits?
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2010, 05:52:55 pm »

Thrilling !
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Re: What's with the instakill crits?
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2010, 05:59:09 pm »

Atm head shots instants do check against LUCK or END (dev didnt clarify) however eye shots dont do check  - so for eye crit you have 20% chance to die at spot

everyone can tell that this is bad - i would remove the instant kill chance from head and make eye ones do check against Luck or end . If that will fail then total removal of instants will be needed.


Another thing while im not sniper i think bypass is too often atm - dunno but someone that snipes alot would need to clarify the bypass chance here.
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Re: What's with the instakill crits?
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2010, 05:59:56 pm »

Lexx why didnt u ask big factions for help before the wipe, balance all the weapons ammo armors bg vs eye shoots etc ...
who can do it better than pvp players ? after making leveling new char so difficult u gonna change weapons skills and ways of dealing dmg, dont u think its silly?
someone wasted a few weeks just to find out that the new way of calculating dmg is making his char unplayable?
sneak is another silly thing after the wipe, again i cannot see guys wearing metal armors with miniguns 3 hexes from me ...
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Re: What's with the instakill crits?
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2010, 06:03:44 pm »

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Lexx why didnt u

I have nothing to do with this stuff.

Until a few days ago, I even forgot that the sniper rifle has a special perk, which makes it useless in close range.
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Re: What's with the instakill crits?
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2010, 06:08:26 pm »

I have nothing to do with this stuff.

Until a few days ago, I even forgot that the sniper rifle has a special perk, which makes it useless in close range.

saying "u" i meant devs or someone who is doing it ...
i heard that vedaras and other quite useless people were testing the new ver before the wipe, does it make sense?
isnt it better to get people who know how to exploit the system, let them play against each other for a week or two and then release it?
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Re: What's with the instakill crits?
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2010, 06:09:03 pm »

why didnt u ask big factions for help before the wipe, balance all the weapons ammo armors bg vs eye shoots etc ...
who can do it better than pvp players ?

All of you "pro pvp players" are already bringing REALLY much help by posting in endless debates everywhere in the forum, so devs only have to read what is there. Keep it up.
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Re: What's with the instakill crits?
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2010, 06:20:23 pm »

@ sneak - atm Custom FoV is disabled and i think its like sneaking from behind form any direction

but keep in mind your PER counts , having 6 PE is poor when it comes to detecing sneakers
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Re: What's with the instakill crits?
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2010, 06:21:20 pm »

i have 12 P and the same shit .. too many bugs here
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