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[Sius]

Can we get what Sius said about critter levels and also have experience gained based on critter HP?

Also, since this is beta, why not give people like Sius, who say they don't have time, a level 21 char and be done with it? Everyone else will just do it the old-fashioned way.

Its based on "player lvl vs critter lvl" not critters HP. But sure higher lvl = more tough monsters with more hp so you could say its kinda HP based but not really.

Edit: I would love to know what you devs think of that exp income idea I had (1st post at 15th page).  

[Roachor]

This matters like so much:

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You wrote that FOnline doesn't have instanced maps / zones, I proved you wrong.

FOnline: 2238 is using instanced maps / zones as well.

I'm talking instances like PVE dungeons that you quest in like every other mmo, not a single encounter with some retarded ai swarming you that lasts a minute.

[Lexx]

Well, we have such things as well. Via quest(s).


Beside this, instanced zones are instanced zones. Doesn't matter, what you find there.

[Roachor]

Well, we have such things as well. Via quest(s).

Yeah my point is none of them are longer than a minute, require help, have any worthwhile reward or are fun. This is why its purely a pvp game, there is almost no pve content other than grinding mobs.

[Lexx]

Yeah my point is none of them are longer than a minute, require help, have any worthwhile reward or are fun.

Again, you are wrong.

[Roachor]

Again, you are wrong.

You have any examples to back that up?

[Lexx]

Yeah. Play the new Klamath quests, then we might talk again. Or not, if I am not in the mood.

[blahblah]

Its based on "player lvl vs critter lvl" not critters HP. But sure higher lvl = more tough monsters with more hp so you could say its kinda HP based but not really.

Let's say exp=hp. Then if you kill a molerat with 50hp you get 50exp. If you are level 10 and molerat is level 5 you get 50% of experience for molerat, thus 25exp. That's what I had in mind.

[Roachor]

Yeah. Play the new Klamath quests, then we might talk again. Or not, if I am not in the mood.

You know what, I will. But I can tell you right off the bat that 500 xp and 200 caps is a joke at lvl 10+.

[Lexx]

We will see.

[Sius]

Well I was thinking something similar. To cover all possible scenarios I will show it on mid level example:

I'm lvl 12 player.
I know that some particular kinds of wolves, geckos and molerats are about the same level as I'm.
I have an encounter - lets say its golden geckos against fire geckos. I can see that some of golden geckos have light green contour so they are 1 or 2 levels below me and I would have only 80/90% exp gain from them. Instead I will focus at those golden geckos that are highlited with yelow. They are on the same level as I'm so they will give me 100% exp. But there are also fire geckos with red and deep red (almost black) contour. Those with red contour are like 1-2 levels above mine so they will give me slightly more exp like 105/110% of base exp. And then there is last kind of fire geckos. They are almost with black contour so they are like 3+ levels higher than me so I won't get more than 60% of base exp out of them.
After this encounter I stumble across some rats. They are way below mine lvl, they have grey contour so they will not give me more than 20% of base exp per kill. No reason why I should waste my ammo here.

Also those + or - % should not be hard set. It should depend on how dangerous that critter is. I mean killing 6lvl molerat is not the same as killing 6lvl raider with hunting rifle. So I I'm 5th lvl and I kill this molerat. I will get like 100% of base exp even when that creature has slightly higher lvl than me. But when I kill that raider I will get 105% of its base exp since he is way more dangerous than molerat.
This would encourage people to risk a bit to gain their reward, yet it will be easy to manage system. Everything depends on creatures abilities/base exp and + or - % with level difference.

But it can't be HP=EXP based since exp income would be pretty much the same no matter what your lvl is. Those most bad ass creatures like centaurs/deathclaws/desert stalkers have no more than 120-180 hp and gaining lets say 200 exp per kill of such bastard mob is not enough reward. Man with this system you could get more exp by crafting ammo you will waste to kill them than from kills themselves . I thought it would be similar to what we have now. There is base exp set for every mob type and every mob level and exp degression is based on your level and what you kill rather than on how many you kill.

[Kilgore]

Well, lvl-based experience for killing critters is definitely the best idea to solve the issue with exping pvp chars. Good idea, Sius, +1

[Hololasima]

But seems that Devs like their system and they want "testing" it. I think that they dont want different system, maybe better system.

[Lexx]

But seems that Devs like their system and they want "testing" it.

From where do you know? Because we didn't changed the system after 1 hour, since the "idea came up"?

[Hololasima]

And how long you want testing it ?
You dont have only positive replies, you have many negative replies too.