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[Attero]

Who do you mean when you say "we"?

all Fonline players ? if like you love fantasy setting WTF would you be doing in SF setting ?
Also there are games with much much better PvP systems  - even with full loot ....  im just not sure if there are such games fee free - is that the issue here ? you play fonline coz its free ? Q_Q

[Izual]

JovankaB, don't you understand ? OMFG putting CH3 in Charisma is stupid ! We lose two points with it ! And if we do, everyone will have CH3 ! We'll all be the same ! And we'll suck in fights ! Plus, there are two kinds of people in this game : The pro, skilled, awesome, big PVP players, and the NCR so-called "noobs". Yay.

[Tyler]

Your a gm so why the hell are you throwing fuel on the fire?

[Izual]

What, man ? I'm only quoting the people that spoke before me in wise, really smart posts !

[Attero]

Your a gm so why the hell are you throwing fuel on the fire?

its called burnout method

[Tyler]

So rather than coming up with your own stupid useless crap to say you quote someone elses?My point is your supposed to be a gm not some immature wise ass.You see a thread turning to a flame war and you add to it instead of moderating.

[Sius]

There are 170 replies in this topic but only like 5 or 6 that actually answers my questions from 1st post. Imho FOnline is now boring because of slower leveling that was never an issue before and now it stands between me and me having fun. Thats why I've started this topic to find out what are you people doing online and how do you spend/enjoy your time with FOnline. I'm just curious if its really my fault that I don't find this season entertaining or if there are people like me who simply don't have anything to do ingame apart from time consuming leveling up, dreaming about 21st lvl and hoping for better tomorrow.

[Uzaykeki]

you are absolutely right

[RavenousRat]

There are 170 replies in this topic but only like 5 or 6 that actually answers my questions from 1st post. Imho FOnline is now boring because of slower leveling that was never an issue before and now it stands between me and me having fun. Thats why I've started this topic to find out what are you people doing online and how do you spend/enjoy your time with FOnline. I'm just curious if its really my fault that I don't find this season entertaining or if there are people like me who simply don't have anything to do ingame apart from time consuming leveling up, dreaming about 21st lvl and hoping for better tomorrow.

So...
Your aim at this game:
Get 21st level and infinite stuff and then go PvP, PvP, PvP, PvP and PvP. And also sometimes PvP, but after you got some PvP?

[Attero]

i rly wonder how were the leveling made slower ?

crafting nerf?
FA nerf?

XP per kill seem to be same...

and also they added new quests (no idea how good exp they give)

[Sius]

So...
Your aim at this game:
Get 21st level and infinite stuff and then go PvP, PvP, PvP, PvP and PvP. And also sometimes PvP, but after you got some PvP?

As I've said many times before. For me PvP is the only real endgame feature that FOnline: 2238 has these days. Why? Because when I take a look at alternatives they are not getting even close to 1/5 of fun that I can have doing PvP.

Lets say I have like X chars all with 21 lvl and all build for different reason. So chars could be like: SG sniper, Armorer, Medic, BG tank, Demolition expert, Thief, Scavenger (average "a bit from everything" build).
With craft based chars like armorer or demolition expert I can farm and craft infinite number of items, get myself rich and chat with friends. But those are pretty much passive, no goal what so ever activities and thats why I don't find them entertaining.
Now lets take a look at medic and thief. Medic could be pretty interesting since mats for drugs are cheap and easy to obtain and new fa/doc systems can be full of bugs that are waiting to be discovered. Anyway such char is meant more or less as supporting build leaving his hunting/killing abilities at medicore level so pretty much ideal for cave scavengering but nothing more. When it comes to PvP doc has no real use in combat now. Same goes for scavenger build. Its medicore killer with more possibilities how to interact (doing quests, trade, craft a bit) but in the end there are not so many quests to keep it interesting after 21st lvl and I don't want to end up looting caves all day long.
As a thief you are absolutely doomed right now because of many bugs or missing features. Main killer of this char is current reputation system that makes him completely useless after 1st or 2nd theft in certain areas (16 lvl thief here).
And we are left with pure PvP chars. They are pain in the ass to level up but when they reach that 21 they present ideal way of spending time for me.  When you PvP then its never the same. People evolve and their tactics/characters/items with them. You can always try something new and you can risk or play the safe tactics, you can combine and find your way how to eliminate your opponents. When you do you are rewarded with good feeling that your way of justice has been done tonight in a wasteland and that precious town now comes under your gang name. Also creating alternative and experimental PvP builds was one of the most exiting things I did during season 1 and 2. Simply PvP is the only real endgame activity for me where I can compete with others and make the difference. No other action ingame is now like this and thats why I prefer killing "bad" people over so called hardcore rpg. When the devs introduce something like endgame PvE then I will most likely end with that rather than keeping an eye on every north town if those bastard PKs show again. But we will have to wait for that. Until then PvP is my choice.

[Sephiroth-sama]

Cool story, bro, anyway I don't really know what's your point. Saying " this game is in beta version, there will be a lot more contents, a lot of things to do, you just have to be patient" is ridiculous, since we are not angry because of lack of features, but the constant NERFING (devs call it BALANCING) of everything your worst enemies - PvP players of 2238, those bad guys without brain  but with 21 lvl chars - like doing in this game. It seems that you want to erase everything you don't like from the game - like it was with thieves, bombers and others. Due to your constant whining about 12yo old kids with miniguns and rocket launchers, this game is slowly becoming flat, it's becoming some sort of a big mine/factory, nothing else.

So, I don't want you to stop roleplaying, doing PvE (in fact, I want it to be more interesting because I do it from time to time), trading, but you - players who don't like PvP - just can't stop attempts to make PvP less interesting and more frustrating. It's kinda pathetic and I don't know when you are gonna realise it. If you can't/don't like PvPing, you just should try to not do it - it's your choice, after all. Remember that it's not hello-kitty but fallout, full of raiders, killers, thugs and thieves (well, maybe no thieves, due to previous "balancing").

Oh, some butthurt hardcore PvPer?


Guess what, those nerfs where shiny. I enjoy the game much more now.
Bombers were retarded and would ruin the game for 80% of the bluesuiters (more like 100%), and thieves... Well, if they get caught, they NEED to be shot, don't they? That's what guards are for.
And yes, it IS just fair to letting anyone kill anything, since the world is like this, but without even get punishment? This is complete nonsense. Even on the trashiest game on earth, when you kill someone, you get PK state or something, but here you don't even get a bad rep for it. The world IS a post-apocalyptic wasteland, but it doesn't mean it's a jungle where anyone is killing everyone. We're still humans at all, and this can be proved by Vault City and guarded cities, and even by factions or gangs.


And yes, this whole CH thing is senseless. If you have 3 CH, you aren't considered PvP build anymore, because the game is devided inbetween HARDCORE PvP (casual PvP doesn't exist) and HARDCORE CRAFTER/PvE CRAFTER (because he wouldn't be able to do PvP AT ALL).

Now, am I the only one who is seeing something wrong here? I mean, you choose into doing quests/trading/having companions, or you choose between PvP? Why can't you do BOTH? Even if not excel at both, what most people here are saying is that you CAN'T PVP AT ALL IF YOU DON'T PUT CH TO 1. That is PLAIN RETARDED if you ask me. Sacrificing one valid aspect of the game to do PvP should be out of the question, you MUST do both, they're forcing you to create alts.

[Kilgore]

Oh, some butthurt hardcore PvPer?

Nope, buddy. It will just take me more time to lvl up my chars and then your characters will die the same way they were dying before, well maybe easier, since it will take more time for you to exp your chars too!

[Sephiroth-sama]

Good. Just nevermind it then. Just keep playing.

[ISn2]

The point is - this game is pointless, its not means that this game is bad. After about 1-2 weeks after wipe, there is nothing to do beside PvP... Its one big loop, get top items->loose/loot top items->get top items->(...). So what else you can do in this game? Do RP - sure, but im afraid that you cant do it all the time and even if you start role playing there is a crowd of fuckers who will spoil your fun. So what else? You can craft and trade items, earn some big money - but where you will spend all your money? There is nothing to buy beside base (500kk)...

This game is about PVP and domination and some RP with GMs. The best moment in the game is early start after wipe, no one have top items and power builds, pvp is nice and pleasant... "If you have 3 CH, you aren't considered PvP build anymore" the correct formula is "If you have 3 CH, you aren't considered as Power PvP build anymore" and the true is (Power Build > CH Build) If there is possibility to make uber power pro PvP build - most of people will make such builds

Another problem is alt'ing, my name is ISn2 and I use alts! Well, I dont like alternative characters, they complicate the game. Yupp! I have few miners and crafters and 2 power builds bla bla bla, its damn sic. Why we are using alt's? - the answer is - because we want to be the best! - why we want to be the best? - the answer is - because all is about PvP and domination || because system allows it (system =/= GMs)

How to solve alt's problem? If developers dont want to change the game in way that is user friendly, we need to take drastic measures against alt'ing:
- account activation after you submit proof of identity (its drastic and can be bypassed)
- one account allows you to create multiple characters and relog cooldown signed to account not to character
- restricted IP filtration (include - proxy filter, PC name, etc)

And finally - Dev's, the last update was awsome, GJ! Propably only lag spoiled me fun after latest wipe

ps. sorry for my poor english >.<