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[Fat Man]

Quick question folks, how many minus action points for knock out? I know knock down is 3 but I want to know how many is knockout so I can caluclate quick recovery.

So we know this:
Quick Recovery: Effects of Knockout/down/lost turn are reduced to 1/3rd

So with quick recovery a knock down is only -1 action point,

But what I want to know is how many minus action points with or without quick recover when it comes to knockouts. I already know quick recovery does not work vs heavy handed.

[Mayck]

Knockout sets your AP (it doesn't merely substract from current AP) randomly between -FullHp to -3*FulHP.
So with QR it's between -FullHp/3 to -FullHP

I already know quick recovery does not work vs heavy handed.

Quick recovery doesn't work vs heavy handed?

[Fat Man]

Its what they been saying writing and complaing about for months now...


By the way still confused what does HP have to do with the -action points that knock out does? You get knocked out it takes time for those action points to regenerate... Did you mean to write -AP instead of HP or this formula has to do with your hit points, or health because that doesn't make sense.

You have 10 endurance, 10str that is 200hp -3*200 = -600, and with quick recovery -600/3 = -200 that doesn't make any sense when it comes to getting knocked out by a critical in regards to -action points, or when your action points go red with character lying on ground.

[Perteks]

Quick Recovery work vs HH, but Stonewall nope

[Fat Man]

Quick Recovery work vs HH, but Stonewall nope

Ah.. maybe it was stonewall.

I also notice that stonewall works beautiful vs knock outs and knock downs, but if its a bypass it well still do a knock out/knock down.

[JovankaB]

By the way still confused what does HP have to do with the -action points that knock out does?

Mayck meant MaxAP not FullHP. Although it doesn't make sense anyway, because it means the more APs
you have the bigger KO penalty. It's probably a mistake in formula. Quick Recovery makes the penalty
3 times smaller.

After update there should be ST roll maluses for heavy handers depending on unarmed weapon they wear
(-5 if no weapon, -4 brass knuckles, -3 spiked knuckles, -1 power fist, 0 MPF).

[Perteks]

Erm i don't get you Jovanka, what's wrong with that formula?
If you have 10 maxAP its still 5 s to get them full like if you have 6 maxAP (Still 5 s to get them full)
Then its 5-15 s ko or 1 2/3-5 s ko with Quick recovery

[JovankaB]

Erm i don't get you Jovanka, what's wrong with that formula?
If you have 10 maxAP its still 5 s to get them full like if you have 6 maxAP (Still 5 s to get them full)
Then its 5-15 s ko or 1 2/3-5 s ko with Quick recovery

Oh right, maybe you are right.

[S.T.A.L.K.E.R]

Oh right, maybe you are right.

Oh snap, dev was wrong, Petreks should be dev now

[Mayck]

Yeah, I meant FullAP not HP...

Erm i don't get you Jovanka, what's wrong with that formula?
If you have 10 maxAP its still 5 s to get them full like if you have 6 maxAP (Still 5 s to get them full)
Then its 5-15 s ko or 1 2/3-5 s ko with Quick recovery

I am not sure if the current formula is wrong it just penalizes you a bit more if you have more UnusedAP (not max AP)...
What I mean:
Let's assume that I have max 10AP
1) If i use up all my AP and i have 0 current AP and then get a knockout i will have my current AP set to -10 -- -30, thus having -10 -- -30 AP penalty
2) But if i didn't use up my AP and I have 10 current AP and get a knockout i will have my current AP set to -10 -- -30 too, thus getting larger  -20 -- -40AP penalty

So my objections had nothing to do with the knouckout being same length for all players regardless of their maximum AP (that's completely fine)... but with the fact that it ignores player's current AP like he had none

[Roachor]

Mayck meant MaxAP not FullHP. Although it doesn't make sense anyway, because it means the more APs
you have the bigger KO penalty. It's probably a mistake in formula. Quick Recovery makes the penalty
3 times smaller.

After update there should be ST roll maluses for heavy handers depending on unarmed weapon they wear
(-5 if no weapon, -4 brass knuckles, -3 spiked knuckles, -1 power fist, 0 MPF).

That is fucking bullshit. MPF is way too annoying to stockpile since you have to craft the damn things you just fucked every non faction hh build (pretty much everyone). You already need 10 str and a trait for something that is only useful 1v1.

[T-888]

Roacher, nobody cares that you will actually have to have some good equipment to be effective and you don't like it, suck it up boy.

[Roachor]

I wouldn't give a shit if MPF was farmable, either scrap bps and fix the crafting system or make pf have 0 negative str.

[T-888]

Farm power fists, it will be 90% chance to knock down.

Nobody is going to scrap shit because you don't like to have good equipment to be effective, nobody cares for the second time.

[Roachor]

Farm power fists, it will be 90% chance to knock down.

Nobody is going to scrap shit because you don't like to have good equipment to be effective, nobody cares for the second time.

You cared enough to post twice, how's your campaign to stop fr so you can be the only one cheating?