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Name Colorization - possible solution
Mayck:
--- Quote from: JovankaB on September 15, 2012, 10:33:00 am ---But you don't know that the player is in the group. You just copied some file outside of game.
It's not about realism, it's about gameplay - individual relations and using your own brain/memory
instead of some automatic means of recognizing people you never heard about.
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This is exactly the same with current inside-faction colorizing, when there's new member in your faction you instantly recognize him by color without ever meeting him, and same goes if you join a faction suddenly you know all other faction members, even if it's npc faction when players practically don't interact with each other.
--- Quote from: JovankaB ---(of course you can always kill every unknown person, but that 's your choice that you make in the game).
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You can also chose not to kill colorized person.
--- Quote from: JovankaB ---What I mean is that getting to know people, who is who etc should be part of the game and your own experience and part of the challenge. It's supposed to be MMORPG not just team shooter where you just jump in, shoot red named people and leave.
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Absence of name colorizing is not going to enforce non-violent player interaction. Now it's just a team shooter too, jump in shoot non-green named people and leave.
Also the fact that you can color max 199 players with current colorizing just makes it insufficient with current ammounts of alts.
T-888:
--- Quote from: JovankaB on September 15, 2012, 10:33:00 am ---But you don't know that the player is in the group. You just copied some file outside of game.
It's not about realism, it's about gameplay - individual relations and using your own brain/memory
instead of some automatic means of recognizing people you never heard about. It artificially
reduces the threat of backstabbing and other dirty tactics which are part of FOnline (of course
you can always kill every unknown person, but that 's your choice that you make in the game,
maybe there is not enough negative consequences for doing it, but that's another thing).
What I mean is that getting to know people, who is who etc should be part of the game and your
own experience and part of the challenge. It's supposed to be MMORPG not just team shooter
where you just jump in, shoot red named people and leave.
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I don't know? Exactly who, my character shouldn't know or me? It's not like someone can memorize all these alts, players stay the same we are not playing a game where 1 character is all who you are(then i would agree for no NC solution at all), but it's just not normal to keep track of them by memory due amount of alts (different alt for the same player might be someone else for you in that list anyway, this relationship factor doesn't go away way, individual recognition, players make their own reputation, then color comes in to keep track of their deeds), it brings some choice and consequence aspect to the game, if you kill bunch of people it's not like someone will forget about that in real life, but in a game it does happen. Dayum, if you pin in realism and sense, i can start talking in that direction also, then you have completely no chance to prove a point.
Haven't you listened to what we have been telling you all this time? Color doesn't make choices, color doesn't make relationship, you do.
When talking about game play, oh yeah this is where it gets fun. Does it make sense that there are 20 players in a map and they are insanely coordinated without actually communicating while in game, does it make sense that someone tells me about a character who did something, outside of game(and then my character magically knows that)?
Don't pin sense and realism, i repeat again it's a game.
JovankaB:
You try to make it look like my argument is about realism, but it isn't.
I explained it once and it should be sufficient.
--- Quote ---You can also chose not to kill colorized person.
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It doesn't stop you from being shot by people with artificial knowledge that they
wouldn't have in game if they didn't copy some file prepared by others. If they
just shoot everyone, then it's fine and dandy for me, but not if they know something
from "magical list" without actually meeting me once or even hearing about me.
T-888:
But you are ignoring hard facts of how currently the gameplay is, old NC won't change anything, it's just for the players.
--- Quote from: JovankaB on September 15, 2012, 11:00:30 am ---It doesn't stop you from being shot by people with artificial knowledge that they
wouldn't have in game if they didn't copy some file prepared by others. If they
just shoot everyone, then it's fine and dandy for me, but not if they know something
from "magical list" without actually meeting me once or even hearing about me.
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It's their choice, you fail to understand that. Someone can prepare list, but it's up to player what he makes out if it, for the goddamn 10 time.
What if they just shoot everyone who is not their color like currently? OLD NC will not change anything in that regard.
I can't believe that you still use that as an argument.
--- Quote from: JovankaB on September 15, 2012, 11:00:30 am ---from "magical list" without actually meeting me once or even hearing about me.
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You didn't answer my question, who the character or player? Player will remember, list color is just info for character.
There is always the option to not use NC, have you forgot about that?
Those who will want to play pew-pew wasteland will do that, and those who will want to enjoy different aspects of the game will be able to do that just fine and they won't gonna need that NC.
JovankaB:
--- Quote from: T-888 on September 15, 2012, 11:05:25 am ---What if they just shoot everyone who is not their color like currently? OLD NC will not change anything in that regard.
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Many players don't shoot every unknown character they meet.
You just have to stick your head out of Town Control PvP for a moment to realize that.
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