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Strength Requirement.
kochanie321:
--- Quote from: T-888 on August 19, 2012, 12:58:54 pm ---I don't think you are aware of how builds work in practice and what are the disadvantages to not using drugs on a fully committed powerbuild. For a common big gunner out there, it's going to be -3 action points (more if used on a regular basis due to addictions), -20%(up to -60% depending on how the build) to weapon skill and sometimes even less perception, carry weight because for some builds it matters quite a lot so they can even take the necessary amount equipment to be able to fight at all. This talking about 300% weapon skill characters is even more nonsense than everything else, they just practically don't exist in game, because they aren't viable and practical.
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Still not as serious as not being able to use a weapon at all without using drugs, that's a serious argument. Making you think twice before going with such build, because you have to consider not being able to use your guns some times, which can be killer in PvP matches, or even PvE matches. I see that as fair. They could take a build with more strength and not need drugs, but they decided differently.
Tomowolf:
It worked in FT, when you needed exact builds (players were getting same example builds from the clan site, or did them for yourself, but still they were same) it was balanced, and one more thing,people WEREN'T using drugs on some popular rulesets (2kh1, 2kh3, 1k, 5k) but only on 10k, and 150k, so your statement is failure.
Here people are mini-maxing builds, to get more than enough skill points, and enough st to use the weapon without penalty (or at least doing +20% more skill but -1 str and still it works).
It could work but in other way : change weapons reqs, like avenger for 8 str (like its in Ft, fair) bazooka and flamer for 6 st, lsw, m60 for 7 st.
This is just a proposition, if you don't like, write why, please.
T-888:
--- Quote from: kochanie321 on August 19, 2012, 01:10:50 pm ---Still not as serious as not being able to use a weapon at all without using drugs, that's a serious argument. Making you think twice before going with such build, because you have to consider not being able to use your guns some times, which can be killer in PvP matches, or even PvE matches. I see that as fair.
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No, no you don't understand i'm asking you why is that an argument, seriousness isn't one and why the player shouldn't be able to use weapons without drugs at all, because it was like that in FT isn't an argument for it to be like that here, because this is a different game.
Doesn't work that way you describe in practice, go play town control, join a faction and experience the game a little bit more and then you will realize your suggested change would rather be a minor annoyance.
--- Quote from: kochanie321 on August 19, 2012, 01:10:50 pm ---They could take a build with more strength and not need drugs, but they decided differently.
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They can already do that, i said not everyone is a power-junkie in this game.
kochanie321:
--- Quote from: Tomowolf on August 19, 2012, 01:11:54 pm ---It worked in FT, when you needed exact builds (players were getting same example builds from the clan site, or did them for yourself, but still they were same) it was balanced, and one more thing,people WEREN'T using drugs on some popular rulesets (2kh1, 2kh3, 1k, 5k) but only on 10k, and 150k, so your statement is failure.
Here people are mini-maxing builds, to get more than enough skill points, and enough st to use the weapon without penalty (or at least doing +20% more skill but -1 str and still it works).
It could work but in other way : change weapons reqs, like avenger for 8 str (like its in Ft, fair) bazooka and flamer for 6 st, lsw, m60 for 7 st.
This is just a proposition, if you don't like, write why, please.
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As T-8*8 already said, they'd just take more drugs than. There is probably a limit on how many you can take but they are not going to give you bigger addiction flaws because those are set from the start. Changing a Str requirement would only help as much as they'd need to use more drugs on them to use the stuff properly. Still not as much of a kick in the balls as not being able to use something at all.
T-888:
No, everyone takes drugs before combat anyway, you won't ever see a guy in an encounter with unused drugs in his inventory so he isn't able to use his weapons and that playing some role in combat. Doesn't work that way in practice.
--- Quote from: kochanie321 on August 19, 2012, 01:18:15 pm ---Still not as much of a kick in the balls as not being able to use something at all.
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Rational thinking, why it should?
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