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Critical burst bypass.

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T-888:

--- Quote from: Sarakin on July 25, 2012, 02:10:56 pm ---I like Jovankas suggestion, only number of bullets should be taken from % of each bullets fired from a particular weapon (bypasses are not tied only to avengers)

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I like it too, but there needs to be frequency when the % of bullets are calculated as bypassed, when the shot is considered as bypass. Can't do it on every hit, major DPS boost in that case. Whether you like it or not, but frequency is a part of bypasses, it is impossible to make bypasses occur without some kind of chance involved, can make them constant, it's still frequency.


--- Quote from: Sarakin on July 25, 2012, 02:10:56 pm ---Like I said earlier, frequency is not a good thing to balance, because either you cant do a bypass at all due to bad luck and thus, doing overally low dmg, or you just roflstomp someone with instakill => High spikes of damage.

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Frequency is one of the things that needs to be balanced, i already said that it's not the most efficient way how to seal the deal.

Doing overall low damage? I don't follow. Bypasses are that does too much damage currently, problem exists within their chance to occur, more bypasses = higher damage overall dealt. Less bypasses ... come on you must understand that. Lowering the damage for bypasses wouldn't touch normal critical bursts, witch are in my opinion strong enough at the moment. Bypasses currently are like adding fuel to to an existing, burning fire.

Mayck:
To get some put information right.
The previous unaimed criticals had 2-3x multiplier. Now they have 1,5-2x multiplier.
Also about the chances in bypasses on unaimed shots depending on luck
(note: the Guy in CA does not have Man of Steel):


So with LK6 you have aprox 12% chance to experience unaimed bypass when critically hit in CA and attacker has Better Crits. That makes around 3% chance to get bypass critical and 22% chance for normal crit if attacker has 25% critchance. (also on next update bypasses should be visible in log even on lethal criticals, so it will be sure if the hit was bypass or not)

Imho the primary reasons that among the BG(lasor gatling) builds the crit build is most viable choice right now is:
1) on first three perks the reasonable choices are Toughnesses(which give protection only against normal damage type), Weapon Handling and Critical perks (which give a chance to drastically increase damage even to the Toughness chars).
2) The fact that there are no luck requirements on toughness (nor BRD) which created a delusion that luck is dump stat for tanks and thus LK1 chars are easily killed by the critbursters.
3) No inteligence requirements for BROF thus both tanks and damage dealers have 2 or 3 int and lots of spare points to give into luck or other stats.
In the end when creating an anti-critburster tank you end up with high luck and toughnesses... so you can just replace toughnesses with the critical perks and have crit burster instead, because you have protection against bypasses with your high luck.

Imho one of the simpliest solutions to the problem is either make different crittable for critical bursts and singleshot unaimed and alter multipliers or bypass chances, the Jovanka's suggestion with partial bypass, or maybe both.

T-888:
It's true until other information is provided. :)

This information had to be provided like ages ago, now need to process the information to conclude the problem.


--- Quote from: Mayck on July 25, 2012, 02:22:59 pm ---bypass chances, the Jovanka's suggestion with partial bypass, or maybe both.

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Both in my opinion. That i already understood, partial bypass balances out the damage dealt, lower frequency due to normal critical bursts already doing a lot of damage.

hahah ;D it seems Solar provided quite a sloppy chart. :)

manero:
imo nonaimed crits are fine since last update. Quite powerfull but ok.

T-888:
1HKO's still happen, insta-kills should be removed from this game. I don't want normal critical bursts to be less powerful, they already got their fair share of balancing medicine.

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