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chocolate_chip_cookies:
I just want to address one point.

About competition. There's a difference in competing who's better, and competing for something like money.

When you compete who's better then you advance and make better to try to get ahead of your rival.

When you compete for money you'll try to kill your rival just to be the one to get the money.

In this example, I mostly mean competition in products and technology but it can apply to other things as well. It's capitalism that creates competition for money. Companies try to take out their competition by producing their product at a cheaper cost and making them in China instead of competing to have a better product.

Nice_Boat:
How is a cheaper product fulfilling the same function not a better product? From a consumer perspective it's friggin' awesome. The sad part is Western companies have to move their production to China to achieve lower prices (despite the shipping costs, mind you) because they can't do it in their home countries due to shitty taxation and laws. Besides most people wouldn't even bother to compete for abstract ideas like "who's better" and money is good because it makes taking part in the competition worthwhile. As far as killing and other kinds of foul play are concerned - well, that's what the state with its laws, police etc. is for.

chocolate_chip_cookies:
Yeah, absolutely.

But wasn't the Cold War in a way about "who's better?" That's where we've seen the most advancement.

And about "killing." What about big companies killing smaller companies by making production cost cheaper by producing it in China? The other producers can't even compete with the low prices.

Nice_Boat:

--- Quote from: chocolate_chip_cookies on July 11, 2012, 07:38:18 pm ---Yeah, absolutely.

But wasn't the Cold War in a way about "who's better?" That's where we've seen the most advancement.

And about "killing." What about big companies killing smaller companies by making production cost cheaper by producing it in China? The other producers can't even compete with the low prices.

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Well, the Cold War was all about "who can kill the other side better", so yeah. A fun fact is if shit went down and both sides launched NATO would "lose", as in have a larger part of its population killed. For all out war it was something like 82% for Russia and 90%+ for the US of A due to population distribution back in the 80ies. I think it's even more valid right now since Russia has basically all the weapons it used to have and the same population as Japan.

As far as competition in the Western market goes - well yeah, it's screwed. We've moved away from what used to make us great to such an extent that what you've said is right. I think it's sad.

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