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[Slick]

My issue isn't scouting, the issue is that you cannot kill them, doesn't matter if they are scouting or trying to pick a broc flower, its just isn't fitting in this game which is about who can make who butthurt first. This game shouldn't be about running around blue suit and being invicible. Its about dying greifing and butthurt, blue suits have to suffer death and replication just like a normal combat character with 100% combat armor and avenger.

And also it makes no sense with this whole "realism theme" they were trying to go for, lets make m60 realistic and remove the 10mm smg from being an easily farmable weapon? But lets make it where blue suits can run around without dying?

[Uftak]

you mean heavy handed?

The magic trick lays in makin' enemy impossible to move fast, so let's count HH makin' that too.
Anyway I think it's the end of HH troll builds, quick recovery works from now.

[DeputyDope]

The magic trick lays in makin' enemy impossible to move fast, so let's count HH makin' that too.
Anyway I think it's the end of HH troll builds, quick recovery works from now.

FINALLY they fixed that.

[Stick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqDY8PpKBmE&feature=youtu.be

It makes very little sense that there can be, and is, completely visible enemy bluesuits running next to heavily armed groups without the armed ones being able to do much about it. One basic idea of a scout is that if it's seen by the enemy it dies. I'm amazed by some people being able to argue about the most idiotic feature since SD nades.

How is it any good to have 220AC bluesuit trolls in game? I fail to understand.

[Kelin]

Let's sum it up, thanks to high AC and jinxed you can:
- scout without being killed
- destroy or drop enemy weapons
- freely loot (if you're fast enough)
- science items on the ground
- kill lonely weak targets

As a bonus you don't need to spend hours of farming, crafting, trading and stealing to get this, all you need is just one dedicated char which can be leveled in few hours, pretty cool huh?

[Uftak]

Let's sum it up, thanks to high AC and jinxed you can:
- scout without being killed
- destroy or drop enemy weapons
- freely loot (if you're fast enough)
- science items on the ground
- kill weak targets

As a bonus you don't need to spend hours of farming, crafting, trading and stealing to get this, all you need is just one dedicated char which can be leveled in few hours, pretty cool huh?

Whoa, I think I'm gonna start abusin' it.

[Jackiepaipai]

There is also something you forgot about scouting with high ac troll, it s pretty annoying  because he has to run everytime. he doesn't have a good field of view.

Though i do agree that high ac char are the ultimate useless troll character ...

[avv]

Sneaking also offer free scouting, high ac char are just another option now.

Sneaks can be hunted down and killed by other sneaks.

[RavenousRat]

Sneaks can be hunted down and killed by other sneaks.

AC trolls can be hunted down and trolled by another AC trolls, he'll just run around him and say bad things about him and his allies will be unable to kill him too. This way everyone will scout everyone and they will just watch that stupid 2 bluesuiters running around.
Or he can be hunted down by

10 PE SS 300% EW fast shot

That can be parked on WM and wait till one AC troll appears to be used.

Also you can give bazooka to your non-BG friend who will shoot you and miss, and if dodger was in 40 hexes, he'll be hit.
Or you can throw plasma grenades on ground near him.
Or you can make melee tank in armor who will try to kill AC troll, but you will shoot your melee friend with explosive rocket when he's near to be sure that rocket will hit AC troll.

[Stick]

...

Wow, didn't really think of all the great fun it adds. I'm afraid I have to take back all my bad words about the high AC trol... entertainers.

[Slick]

Only rat he is professional scout killer. It seems I have an evil twin here or something...

[Roachor]

Sciencing items on the ground? So you wait for the guy to stand still to shoot him. Why are your items on the ground anyways? I'd like to know why nonhuman npcs seem to be able to hit me while I'm running past with 200 ac. I love how it's made taking on gangs in rt possible, still hard to kite and manage aggro but having the possibility of surviving press gangs with hth is epic.

[avv]

Sciencing items on the ground? So you wait for the guy to stand still to shoot him. Why are your items on the ground anyways?

How can you not know and still keep presenting arguments? I don't want to teach you what's going on ingame so maybe you should go and experience it yourself before talking about the whole subject here.

Anyway:
In combat people die and drop their items when their bodies disappear. In the heat of the combat there definitely isn't time to start looting items until all enemies have been hunted down so many trolls come in and try to loot or science the items to harass the combatants while they are busy. High ac is effective in looting and sciecing those items. Sneak-trolls come right after.

[Roachor]

How can you not know and still keep presenting arguments? I don't want to teach you what's going on ingame so maybe you should go and experience it yourself before talking about the whole subject here.

Anyway:
In combat people die and drop their items when their bodies disappear. In the heat of the combat there definitely isn't time to start looting items until all enemies have been hunted down so many trolls come in and try to loot or science the items to harass the combatants while they are busy. High ac is effective in looting and sciecing those items. Sneak-trolls come right after.

Your first mistake is caring about your gear, this sounds a lot to me like whining since everyone has always lost gear to looters since the dawn of time. How are you still complaining about sneak trolls with sd nades gone?

[Uftak]

I got great news for ya gentlemen.
AC won't be nerfed this session, no matter how you whine about it.

But ignore me, if ya want to show others how big whiners ya are, just continue it.