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Author Topic: Changelog 28/06/2012  (Read 53590 times)

Lexx

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Re: Changelog 28/06/2012
« Reply #165 on: July 02, 2012, 11:19:11 am »

and what did you expect? 6months with out udate and when you get it, it is "we have our ideas and we dont listen comunity".

I grow tired of this. Fun fact: Most of the changes we ever made are based on ideas and talk from the community. But of course, let's ignore that all together. Makes the blaming a lot easier, doesn't it.
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Re: Changelog 28/06/2012
« Reply #166 on: July 02, 2012, 11:57:17 am »

Besides there were 10+ topics about SD should use .223 and 14mm also.
Re: Changelog 28/06/2012
« Reply #167 on: July 02, 2012, 12:42:11 pm »

Oh I remember those threads too :)
There was one at the bug reports too
http://fodev.net/forum/index.php/topic,21731.15.html
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TKs-KaBoom

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Re: Changelog 28/06/2012
« Reply #168 on: July 02, 2012, 12:48:51 pm »

and what did you expect? 6months with out udate and when you get it, it is "we have our ideas and we dont listen comunity". they fixed only fov and even unbalace this game even more. they boosted sd and fucked crit tabels. we wanted tc and armors fix, + more encounters but we got sd boost. well good job devs showed they dont read forum and players sugestions. i have idea make sd working with bg ;D 400 damage from rl is better that 2k damage from greese ;]

Go play TLA maybe they will make that game exactly like you want, probably not......  I don't expect anything actually.  In all honesty I believed they'd just pull the plug.  I really don't think this game is perfect but you bozos aren't paying for anything, really your not voting with dollars and whine makes a poor substitute.  At this point, I hate to say it, If you don't like it play something else, or whine somemore...  your good at it.

A good analogy would be lets say somebody cooks your breakfast, maybe a girlfriend, or more than likely your Mother.  You may feel free to offer any suggestions of what the meal should entail but when it comes time to eat it, you can either accept it, devouring it with a smile or wear it in your lap.
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It's all really about suppression of dissension, consensus through censorship.  Whether through extermination of those who have different or conflicting viewpoints or subtle spin of available media.  If there is only one opinion left, it must be right, right?

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Re: Changelog 28/06/2012
« Reply #169 on: July 02, 2012, 12:55:01 pm »

I grow tired of this. Fun fact: Most of the changes we ever made are based on ideas and talk from the community. But of course, let's ignore that all together. Makes the blaming a lot easier, doesn't it.

You fail to understand what the community is, Lexx.

If one member of the community suggests a change, and you introduce that change without consulting the rest of the community members, or after only consulting a small number of them, you do not introduce a change "based on ideas from the community;" you introduce a change based on ideas from one person, one member of the community.

Similarly, if there is a discussion whether a feature should be introduced/removed or not, and there are 3 people saying 'do it' and 30 people saying 'don't do it,' and you decide to go with the minority, and do something that the vast majority says 'don't do it' to, then, again, you do not introduce a change based on discussion with(in) the community, you introduce a change that is in disregard of what the community suggested (one obvious example - the removal of old namecolorizing - immediately comes to mind).

The community means either all the people that are active on the forum/IRC, or at least the vast majority of them, Lexx.

Would you call two bees flying around a bee hive? No, you probably wouldn't. So please, do not refer to some obscure random chunks of the player-base as the community.

Rather than saying, for example, "we introduced the new town control system because the community requested it," it might therefore be better to say: "we introduced the new TC system because 3 random members of the community, who never even participated in TC fights, suggested that it might work better than the old one."
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Lexx

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Re: Changelog 28/06/2012
« Reply #170 on: July 02, 2012, 01:31:16 pm »

Yes, I fail to understand, thank you for bringing the light to me. Apparently you fail to understand that it is impossible to get the full community to agree on any single point. "The Community" is not a single entity. It is many people with lots of different ideas and tastes.
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Re: Changelog 28/06/2012
« Reply #171 on: July 02, 2012, 01:34:44 pm »

Yes, I fail to understand, thank you for bringing the light to me. Apparently you fail to understand that it is impossible to get the full community to agree on any single point. "The Community" is not a single entity. It is many people with lots of different ideas and tastes.

So...... We are getting Battle Brahmin?
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Re: Changelog 28/06/2012
« Reply #172 on: July 02, 2012, 01:35:30 pm »

Yes, I fail to understand, thank you for bringing the light to me. Apparently you fail to understand that it is impossible to get the full community to agree on any single point. "The Community" is not a single entity. It is many people with lots of different ideas and tastes.

So what if someone makes bunch of poles and makes sure that the majority agrees? Would that make any difference?

I know you aren't the scripter, but would you even read those topics, and at least present them to your team mates, well since your active?
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Re: Changelog 28/06/2012
« Reply #173 on: July 02, 2012, 01:40:44 pm »

Yes, I fail to understand, thank you for bringing the light to me. Apparently you fail to understand that it is impossible to get the full community to agree on any single point. "The Community" is not a single entity. It is many people with lots of different ideas and tastes.
You might want to read my previous post again.

Here is a tl;dr version of it: it is obvious that you can't get the whole community to agree unanimously on anything, but if 100 people say A, and 2 people say B, you should probably go with A, and if you decide to go with B instead, you have no right to say that the decision was made based on what the community suggested.

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Lexx

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Re: Changelog 28/06/2012
« Reply #174 on: July 02, 2012, 01:54:18 pm »

I know you aren't the scripter, but would you even read those topics, and at least present them to your team mates, well since your active?

We read every suggestion that is posted, even if it doesn't look like that. Everything that seems possible / good is being talked about. Sometimes more, sometimes less. I stopped to post in the definitive-no threads, though, because people always assume that I am blocking everything. :)
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Re: Changelog 28/06/2012
« Reply #175 on: July 02, 2012, 01:57:16 pm »

Honestly, if I would be the developer I would shut the server long time ago.
Some of you are really unbelievable. "Why this was changed and why that? Why not that?"
The most important thing from the whole changelog was just overlooked by you:

Fixed server crashes

This is the only thing that matters and that was really annoying. Everything else is just bonus, but you seem to dont understand it.
Just play the game, have fun and stop whining about changes you dont like, because you are only testers and you are playing it for free.
Re: Changelog 28/06/2012
« Reply #176 on: July 02, 2012, 02:06:40 pm »

Honestly, if I would be the developer I would shut the server long time ago.
Some of you are really unbelievable. "Why this was changed and why that? Why not that?"
The most important thing from the whole changelog was just overlooked by you:

Fixed server crashes

This is the only thing that matters and that was really annoying. Everything else is just bonus, but you seem to dont understand it.
Just play the game, have fun and stop whining about changes you dont like, because you are only testers and you are playing it for free.
Really? Server doesn't go down every hour, that's true. But now we got constant lags and ping between 500 and 5000. Before the update you could play with a good ping, now it's impossible.
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Stration

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Re: Changelog 28/06/2012
« Reply #177 on: July 02, 2012, 02:11:06 pm »

Honestly, if I would be the developer I would shut the server long time ago.
Some of you are really unbelievable. "Why this was changed and why that? Why not that?"
The most important thing from the whole changelog was just overlooked by you:

Fixed server crashes

This is the only thing that matters and that was really annoying. Everything else is just bonus, but you seem to dont understand it.
Just play the game, have fun and stop whining about changes you dont like, because you are only testers and you are playing it for free.
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc9wIzi96_E" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc9wIzi96_E</a>

Server doesn't go down every hour, that's true. But now we got constant lags and ping between 500 and 5000. Before the update you could play with a good ping, now it's impossible.
There's just no pleasing you, WHINERS! I know your kind all too well! I bet if they made the lag go away and the crashes come back, you'd whine about the crashes again!
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Re: Changelog 28/06/2012
« Reply #178 on: July 02, 2012, 02:25:47 pm »

Video with happy music
Thanks, that cheered me up. I feel much better now :D

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Re: Changelog 28/06/2012
« Reply #179 on: July 02, 2012, 02:31:09 pm »

in the past there were the RPérs and PVPérs who do discussion.
now its the people who are simple thankful that the server exist and there is a fallout online at all,
against the people who are complaining about the dev´s and gamemechanics on the other side.
oh wait.. thats still the same groups! *trollface*
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