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Yes

27 (25.7%)

Yes, but I would change some things

33 (31.4%)

I don't care

1 (1%)

No, but under some circumstances ...

10 (9.5%)

No, idea of getting PA's into fonline is completely wrong

34 (32.4%)

Total Members Voted: 105

[Neuromancer]

My vision of getting getting PA into 2238

Statements:

1) Power Armor would be very rare item ( limited amount of this type of armor about 1-10 )

2) Power Armors should be in rotation system*

3) Oryginally it could be obtained from brotherhood of steel only, to people who are in this faction.
Only highest rank members of BOS would obtain it ( done by quests, rank and karma ) Edit: According to this only Paladins would be able to obtain it.

4)Once obtained,  bos member needs to keep his rank high, acting like a bos paladin, not wandering freely PK raiding towns. Basically having high karma with bos faction.

5)Paladin would be killed and lost his Power Armor, the Brotherhood begins a quest to retrieve it ( all members who want get additional rank and karma can take part in it, and from now on they're looking for missing PA.

6)Let's assume sb ( not bos member ) picked up Power Armor - he can do whatever he wants with it, but he must remeber he's being tracked/hunted by bos members who received a quest of retrieving it.

7)When let's say 10 (max amount defined earlier) player controlled paladins have PA's and next member wants another, HQ Elders say that all PA's are in use at the moment and you need to wait or retrieve when one gets lost.

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*Rotation System:
1st - bos member gets it after lot of effort <quests/karma/retrieving> ( bringing one to the game would be hard )
2nd - then is killed by PK ( that's the easy part, but has drawback of being hunted )
3rd - then is retrieved by another bos member etc. etc. etc.
 
Retrieving PA quest:
You have to place detectors/trackers/radars in towns/vaults etc. that would inform Headquarters that PA is in this particular location.
Once PK ( with looted Power Armor ) gets into a city or some other location with detector a message to all members is sent ( kinda like Town Controll Anouncment ), then paladins/knights/journeymans should go there and get it back for all costs.
Once retrieved - member who retrieves it receive a reward, some karma, and his brotherhood rank raises ( when he becomes a paladin he receives his own PA )
Most interesting thing about it is that would be repeatable/active quest "fuelled" by greed of others :> ( I believe that most of players would want it )


This method will bring something additional things to do for everyone:
Players who are in BOS faction have something to do except of having a profession, so it would be first NPC driven faction which actually would live with it's own life.
Player Killers/Gang Members have something to fight for except of Town Control.

Edit: One REAL drawback my mate told me about:

When somebody loots a Power Armor, he surely will hide it in a tent/base just to show his friends etc. and being proud that he has it - he won't wander with it ( and we don't want another 10 PAs hidden ). We must remember that
I look for tips on that.

Solutions on that:
1)After 1 or 2 weeks since armor was lost HQ orders Scribes to invent personal trackers. So if someony gets 1 square close to place where missing PA is - the place becomes visible ( it would behave same way as it is with new event places like was with 2nd NCR above normal NCR in event some time ago )

2)Headquartes decides to destroy armor remotely ( they didn't do that because it was very expensive piece of technology )

Please post other solutions,quests for brotherhood ( so people would have some things to do before getting PA ), and opinions of course.

Optionally:
It could be connected with crafting so getting it would be even harder: eg. crafting PA for BOS faction would raise your karma with it, and if you would craft it for yourself it would cost massive ammount of resources [ and of course would be only crafted in BOS ( similar case as it is with 7.62 ammo in sierra )]

[duorden]

main condition - you must be a member BoS 5 years from (ex)2238-2243,but not 3 minutes!!!(this rule for also Enclave)

[vedaras]

then raiders for example should get 10 gauss rifles for being loyal (and other factions should get something like this too), or else it would be imbalanced.

[Neuromancer]

@UP
Vedaras stop trolling or leave ( if you want to give raiders 10 gauss rifles then make a reason according to storyline and plot of fallout and then make your topic so we could discuss it there ) and seriously raiders are "just" raiders, they weren't a significant force in wasteland, whereas bos was considered strongest and most advanced technologically force in wasteland ( actually enklave was better than them )

@UP
Duorden could you give some details why this specific date 2243?

[Rejfyl]

Vedaras is right. If you dont ballance it, all players will become BOS members.

[Odyniec]

@UP I don't think so. There will be only 10 (more or less) PA for players, so if there would be 100 players in Bos they would not get their armor anyway. And there is other idea about karma in suggestions forum, so pk players would not be able to join brotherhood. I don't think that bandits of wastelands would change their ways, when chances of getting PA are so small and cost much effort (quests, raids, loyalty).

[Neuromancer]

AFAIK BOS faction isn't about Town Controll - they have their own goals. They need to mantain high karma.
And if BOS would be strong it would be nice counterbalance to very strong player controlled factions, and a place wherer every notPK would fit in.

@DOWN

one strong gang is balance to other strong gang, not power armors for bos.

Basically there are 3 sides in fonline.
1) DA
2) NA
3) NonPK - people not interested in tc
Right now third group is overwhelmed by both DA and NA and they have no faction or even if they have they hide in caves.

This feature even adds balance when e.g. DA has all avalaible PA's since bos becomes automatically ally of overwhelmed side.

[vedaras]

one strong gang is balance to other strong gang, not power armors for bos.

[Sius]

IMHO this is not a good idea. PA is advanced piece of armory but its meant as protection for BoS troops ergo it cannot be as unique as you described it above. I agree that its supposed to be only for elite warriors and high ranked officers but still regular scout groups of BoS soldiers are wearing it and I doubt they have officers among them on routine field operations. I would prefer that after one proves that he is worthy of such a huge investment that PA represents he will be able to start a chain-quest at which end he will obtain his personal PA. Such quest could be pretty much anything from farming materials to hunting down some BoS enemy/traitor. Also in most cases PA is worth more than life of a man who is in it so it should be locked in your locker in BoS armory. And such locker would get unlocked only when you are on duty and up to BoS field operation (by such locker you could imagine armory officer and if there is a PA assigned to your name, you can get one there). As you may noticed there are no one man PA scouts there because BoS nor Enclave wouldn't gamble with such equipment. Simply after one receives his PA he will be able to wear it only when he is told and where he is told, after that he will have to take it off and wait for another action. If you loose your armor during action you will have to obtain yourself a new one trough repeatable quest, but this quest should be significantly easier compared to the original one that makes PA accessible for you. Sure it requires A LOT of new stuff to be introduced to the faction system such as those faction driven operations, but personally I would like to wait for a good solution rather than settle for the bad one now. But maybe we could bypass big changes in faction system by simple feature: When group of BoS members get together as they are going for field op. then armory officer would supply them with PA if their group counts 4 or more members. Such player groups could follow orders from their NPC commander. So you go to officer "Barnaky" for your mission briefing, he orders your group to scout 4 click radius around the base, you go get your stuff at armory officer and you are ready to rock!

And for the freeforall PA it should exist, but this should be something unique and very rare in the wasteland. I mean even if you succeed in killing BoS paladin, you can't do it without damaging his armor. So if you manage to get your hands on dead soldiers PA it should be useless more or less. I don't know what PA is made of exactly, but I guess there are some gadgets inside, that make it running. So by killing PA guy and taking his armor you would get few usable parts. But to make it whole again it would require all parts together and insanely high science+armorer skills. Lets say that regular death (no explosives) will keep protective plates of the armor untouched so they would be easiest to obtain from damaged PA. After that there should be some inner electronic/motion thingy that would be rare to obtain from damaged PA. So if we make armor consists of 6 parts (helmet, torso, power source, motion stuff, electronic gadget, waste recycling system(?)) each with different drop chance then it would be hard enough to collect all 6 from dead soldiers. And collecting is not be enough, also putting it together should be connected to a quest or NPC who will help you with it. Also cooperation of best scientists and armorers of wastes should be necessary to put it all together. After all of this done you will get yourself your 1st wasteland PA. But such PA should be less efficient than original piece and some rust on it will never hurt .

Edit: If you are thinking about stealing PA or dieing on purpose in order to farm PA materials it could be solved by BoS karma. If you die too much, you will get demoted and you will loose access to your PA until you regain your trust. And if you steal PA then its best way how to get to BoS killonsight list and it could be used for new BoS members as quest to find you and kill you (loot your "dogtags" as proof of your dead or even better return PA back to BoS).

[UbiValkin]

IMHO this is not a good idea. PA is advanced piece
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it will never hurt .

Too many letters.
That's easier ;p

I hope BoS armor will be avaible for BoS-members who completed many many difficult quests and killed alot PKs, and then they can wear on/off armor only at bunker and they can't drop it, so noone except for them will get this armor. Also if they die in armor, they need to complete some annoying quests again to get it back.

[Sius]

I like details 

[Neuromancer]

Ranks:
The Brotherhood of Steel is divided into different ranks: Initiates are trainees who are expected to perform well enough in the training process to be promoted to Senior Initiates, and later to Apprentices. After proving themselves, Apprentices are promoted to the rank of Journeyman Knights or Scribes. The next rank is Senior Knight/Scribe, and finally the leader of each of these orders is the Head Knight and the Head Scribe.

I think what Sius mentioned about scout groups they should use this
Regular BOS patrol consists only of Knights which are using PA's and i think only knights and higher could use them.

I agree about the part of annoying quests to get it, and to get it back if lost.

Another thing about how it should look like on bos member and looted
BOS:

Looted:

[Lexx]

Once obtained by bos member he needs to keep his karma high, beeing a protector of wasteland, true paladin etc.

This might be a problem, because the Brotherhood is not how they are shown in Fallout 3. They are elitists and assholes who don't share in most cases. They are a bunch of techno freaks who worship technology and not holy protectors.

[Neuromancer]

This might be a problem, because the Brotherhood is not how they are shown in Fallout 3. They are elitists and assholes who don't share in most cases. They are a bunch of techno freaks who worship technology and not holy protectors.

Ooooops.
Ok that's true. I exaggerated with protectors of wasteland - they're basically neutral, just not attacking wastelanders without a reason ( and not defending them either ), but still if someone piss them off ( for example pk who kill their knight and steal his PA ), they will react. So karma thing can still be used when meaning high karma with bos.

[Solar]

My vision of getting getting PA into 2238 is from other mmo game and it is as it follows:
There should be limited ammount of this type of armor ( about 1-10 in whole wasteland )
It could be obtained from brotherhood only, to people who are in this faction.
Only highest rank members of BOS would obtain it ( done by quests, rank, karma )

then raiders for example should get 10 gauss rifles for being loyal (and other factions should get something like this too), or else it would be imbalanced.

All in good time. Though not Gauss, of course and nothing to do with Karma.