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fonline is not user friendly i guess:,(

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Malice Song:

--- Quote from: Jotisz on May 18, 2012, 06:14:21 pm ---I would say its possible to have characters that can support themselves its just that majority of players sees only one aspect of Fonline. And refuse to play it other way.

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--- Quote from: avv on May 18, 2012, 06:28:59 pm ---Levelling alts is simply the best way to do stuff. And when you want to reach a goal, you use the best method.

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I think this is a bit of a moot point that shouldn't be ignored completely, but is not entirely a wrong/right decision in terms of noob friendliness.

For example, it's entirely possible to roll a selfsustained char, and at least in my case, after a bit of experimentation and toying around with the planner, it turned out that a hybrid build was superior to a specialized one and I would assume, factoring in ease of use and reaction time, even several specialized alts. That said, I won't claim this is a good idea for PvP. It's actually not even a topic that comes up often for me, but when it does I'll admit that's out of my league. Basically it actually comes down to the goals of the new player.

That's not groundbreaking stuff and barely warrants a post, but there's a bit of hybrid-vs-alt debate smell in the air and I think there's no need to really go into that, so it may be beneficial to just establish outright that there are newcommers who potentially fall on both sides of the fence.



--- Quote from: avv on May 18, 2012, 05:48:12 pm ---What I've noticed is that nuubs get depressed when I tell them what this game is about: want something? Get an alt.

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This, however, isn't really surprising imo. Blame it on expectations set by Fallout 2. Alts don't even exist in that game, the transition from that to fonline, where a lot of vets tell you that you need a bunch of alts (and depending on what the goal is, they are probably even right), is probably a bit of a shock for some players. It certainly goes against the expectations that players have, who are looking forward to Fallout online in the purest sense.

hungaryman:
Speaking of "User Friendly", is the server offline at the moment? Thank you for your time.

Enzotainment:

--- Quote from: hungaryman on May 18, 2012, 07:15:53 pm ---Speaking of "User Friendly", is the server offline at the moment? Thank you for your time.

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Yes it is.
This is a useful site to check: http://fonline-status.narod.ru/en

avv:

--- Quote from: Jotisz on May 18, 2012, 06:46:48 pm ---Not to argue cause you do have a point though I think my viewpoint is ok too I find the leveling of one purpose chars boring while I have quite a fun with the leveling of hybrid chars thats why my choice goes that way.
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You can have that viewpoint, I started the game like that. No hurry anywhere, just learn stuff at your own speed.
But if you strip all preferences and feelings players have, this game boils down to items and characters. Items and characters make us able to do stuff. Without either, we got nothing. The one who has both fastest, gets to do more and does it better. You can't balance a game by observing player's viewpoints. There has to be at least 2 things: something everyone wants and something everyone doesn't want, victory and loss. In our case it's gaining and losing items since character's death doesn't mean anything.


--- Quote from: Jotisz ---And I think they would provide more fun to a starter player. After all its possible to make hybrid chars that are able to fight in PvP too and its not always necessary to use the best gear its possible to have fun with easier to obtain items and its quite easy to make characters with enough skills to use almost all type of weapons.
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--- Quote from: Malice Song ---For example, it's entirely possible to roll a selfsustained char, and at least in my case, after a bit of experimentation and toying around with the planner, it turned out that a hybrid build was superior to a specialized one and I would assume, factoring in ease of use and reaction time, even several specialized alts. That said, I won't claim this is a good idea for PvP. It's actually not even a topic that comes up often for me, but when it does I'll admit that's out of my league. Basically it actually comes down to the goals of the new player.
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But it's not smart. It's not reasonable in terms of mechanics. Making a hybrid character is like using an underpowered gun in fps game or doing intentionally stupid strategies in rts. When you get a royal flush in poker, do you keep it or scramble it for the sake of it?
My point here is that the mechanics and fun don't go hand to hand. Fun is slow and ineffective, and not even fun for all (apes, powergamers). Effective is boring and repetitive. When the most effective and fun meet, you have a good feature.

There's no point discussion hybrid vs alts. I got few examples right here:
- max effective sneak is 300, not much room for anything else
- you want to know if there's a restock in sf tanker. You're in VC. Which one is faster: log to a shop checker who is inside the tanker or travel to sf?
- you want to know if there's something in reno. Do you travel there or log to your townchecker?
Alts allow you to travel lightning fast.

hungaryman:
Thank you so much, Enzo ;)

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