We can judge tc, we can cry, we can be happy, but it will not change anything.
If u can't play in game made as it is, gtfo.
Going back, to mashrooms question, about "what is winning for you?, looting, killing etc..":
If we kill 2 waves of rogues, and run with loot from third, with pack of our first alts. Are we loosers - running away, or winners - killing and looting?
If we killed 1 pack of battle chars with 3 waves of our alts, and stayed allive in town, looting, are we winners?
Or If we killed 2 waves of bbs, but without looting run away from third...
You can feel the win. For me winning with BBS for example is, when i see Kerrigan, or Tespis dead. What happens then? I don't really care, second wave? loot? Do not giving a fuck.
With rogues? Kick some of their asses in their fortress, with anymethod.