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[Boon Lived]

I had 20 alts last session, and i'll have 20 now. Why you ask? One reason is that i like to play around with builds, see what does and doesn't work.

Another reason is that i like to be 'mysterious' in a way.
There are some players who have hated me on one alt, yet liked me on another. Fun.

Oh, and then theres the crafter/lockpicker/whatever alts.
Nuff bout alts.


Last session, the cheaters had an advantage over those whom played fair.
Now with the Fast Relog, even though it can be abused, we are atleast on the same page.

[Chrupek]

And my girlfriend forced me to bitch-slap her last night. Yeah, right.
If you don't like it, do something about it. Take a stand and show these cheesecakes whats really up.
I have been able to do just about everything with a single character, and effectively at that. I will continue to use one character until I get bored with him, then I may make a single alt. Not for Enclave looting, not for mining, no, just so I can play the goddamn game again.

I didnt said that i dont like it. Read carefully. I wrote that you can do whatever you want with your one all around char, but its more efficient to level up specific chars.

for a miner, crafter, repairman, sciencer you need to level up specific build to 6th level. Thats more efficient, than sharing combat-craft char. If you spend a lot of time on crafting, its just much easier to do it in right way, by specific char.

Stop beeing stubborn, and try this. Because for now - we cant discuss, cause you have no idea how organised alt net can work.

[Michaelh139]

I really don't give a flying fuck about crafter/lockpicker/brahminshitshovelling/trolololololomfg alts and all such crap.

The point is, that the pvp feature in itself is broken because of legal fast relog.

and 3 minutes is not even that harsh anyhow, you can still switch between two characters with relative ease.  Just watch a 3 minute video about someone's cat and jump back in...

[Ox-Skull]

Alts alts alts fucking alts.

nothing against them really, but when people say u need em to play game proper is a load of shit.

[BenKain]

Stop beeing stubborn, and try this. Because for now - we cant discuss, cause you have no idea how organised alt net can work.

I don't need any alts. I have a player network, full of employees, affiliates, and trade partners. Maybe instead of creating and managing five alts, you could interact with other players a little, trade some goods and services.

But yes, at its core, all PvP is broken until this is effectively fixed. I do really like the "Sleepy" Suggestion JovankaB posted, however, and I think it will balance things a lot better.

[Marko]

PvP is not broken. It works. It works differently than last year, but it works. Some of you guys hate it, but some love the swarms. It is simply not accurate to say it is broken.

[Chrupek]

I don't need any alts. I have a player network, full of employees, affiliates, and trade partners.

Blahblabhblah, simply you dont know what im talking about, changing the subject. Fine for me.

[Wichura]

The point is, that the pvp feature in itself is broken because of legal fast relog.

But AFAIR it was always like that, you just had to use more external software tricks, with proxy, doubled game running and stuff. The only change for people that CANNOT LOSE IN A COMPUTER GAME is their cheating is now a bit easier.

[Kelin]

People cry about swarms, people cry about fastrelogs, people cry about silent death, people will always cry and whine about such things. One thing which almost everyone forgets, if you bring back the old relog timer, there will be always people who will bypass it. What is better, to let cheaters have their advantage or allow it to everyone? I've witnessed many fastrelog waves during other sessions and I was pissed off that I can't do such things while they can. Even now I'm too lazy to park many alts over a town, so I rarely fastrelog during pvp. If you spawn more waves you have higher chance to lose more stuff, I don't think it's that advantageous.

I post to every thread about fastrelogs and each time repeat that FR is a revolution and a very good feature. Will you whine every time you are killed by an avenger just because you had a worse gun? Of course not, because next time you can pwn your victim with such avenger. That's the wasteland for fuck sake. Once you get killed you can relog and punish the aggressor, without this FR feature only a cheater would have this possibility.

Nevertheless I'm not sceptical about some good suggestions I've seen, which wouldn't destroy the whole beauty of fastrelogs and could possibly prevent abusing this feature. I don't remember exact authors of such suggestions, I think for example T-888 had some good points.

[falloutdude]

i like fr it allows me to get things done. go lvl a bit , hp gets low, fr to another alt and do something till the lvling alt is high hp and repeat. fr in pvp as kelin says. am personally just too lazy to put more alts over a town>(besides den) to fight. i just want a good fight and then leave. which is what i get atleast once a day. i also find factions that use fr alot dont care as much if they die so they die alot. which if fast enough = loots!

[JovankaB]

What is better, to let cheaters have their advantage or allow it to everyone?

I don't do it anyway, so for me it was better when there was a few cheaters in PvP than now when 90%+ people do the same FR shit.

[ToxiCAVE]

fr can be pain in ass but we all use it last time in modoc we had nice waves fights 4 bbs vs 2.5 cs
i can see some of you get pissed off with it but there are bigger problem than waves.

[serious clown]

[codave]

And fyi, I've tested it, and 180 Barter caps sale prices. 200 speech caps Party Point. With a lockpick set and 200% lockpick, you can pick any lock in the game, perhaps with the occasional fail.

Yeah, you've never been to Glow.

 

While I agree with you in sentiment, you're taking this all a bit far.

Just because I or you play with one character, doesn't mean that others have to do things the same way. 

I had 20 alts last session, and i'll have 20 now. Why you ask? One reason is that i like to play around with builds, see what does and doesn't work.

Another reason is that i like to be 'mysterious' in a way.
There are some players who have hated me on one alt, yet liked me on another. Fun.

Oh, and then theres the crafter/lockpicker/whatever alts.
Nuff bout alts.


Last session, the cheaters had an advantage over those whom played fair.
Now with the Fast Relog, even though it can be abused, we are atleast on the same page.

See, I like this guy. 

I had roughly 18-22 alts last year as well.  The ONLY reason I'm playing a single character this time around, is just to see if I can do it.  No other reason.  Personal preference all the way.

[T-888]

I'm tired with arguing this is hopeless , it seems it can be talked about this forever , players just don't change their mind no matter what you tell them , same thoughts get's repeatedly spit out.

I don't remember exact authors of such suggestions, I think for example T-888 had some good points.

Thanks for compliment , but if developers don't reason and listen , it's pointless to talk with the community. It doesn't achieve anything.