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[Roachor]

If you can't kill a bluesuit before he gets within one hex of you you are a terrible player. I have a non HH unarmed crit build and I only use it for pve since even with 290 health I'll die going up against anyone armed if they spot me more than 10 hexes away.

[Floodnik]

True.
If HH gets into point blank, it's only your fault.

[Killy]

my fault b/c I didnt run away 

[Perteks]

Just change knock down to knockback and it will be cool

[Floodnik]

my fault b/c I didnt run away 

Your fault because you didn't kill him when he was away :\ Then, if you fail(which should be rare) you can just run... So still it's harder to kill someone with HH.

I'm going to tell you something. People think HH is overpowered because before implementing it, unarmed characters were garbage. Now, they are PLAYABLE. When something that was garbage previously is made playable, then people think it's overpowered because they were used to it being shit... It works the other way as well. When something is truly overpowered and gets nerfed into the state of being balanced, people think it's garbage.

[Killy]

dude what the hell are u talking about, if u talk about biggunners with lsw or m60 then alright, but what if i have a minigun or avenger and ap ammo or any other leveled char that is not a powerbuild? u have no chance vs a bluesuit unless u run away, and u call it playable? You use the troll build cuz its fun to troll ( when u kill someone) and its cheap ( free ) = free loot when u get and knockdown someone, dont even wanna talk about HTH trolls behind doors, mines and other places if they use instarun u are as good as dead against those trolls

[Uftak]

Well... I always got a question about heavy handed, but I was too shy to ask it 

Alrighty... Tell me, why devs have not given HH knock down bonus to melee as well?

[JovankaB]

Well... I always got a question about heavy handed, but I was too shy to ask it 

Alrighty... Tell me, why devs have not given HH knock down bonus to melee as well?

Melee weapons will have their own effects added at some point.

[Uftak]

Like what? Maybe like that "fly-back" effect, which is a great help for enemy?
The only advantage that I've seen in melee is no huge strenght requirement.

Yes, I know.. I know it.. one day it may be buffed... But it ain't sure...

[vedaras]

heavy handed is powerful now not overpowered, dont make unarmed as shit as it was before Cant you be happy if people chose several ways to play? always same old butthurt snipers whine all over the place

[Roachor]

Heavy handed gives you a chance to kill 1v1 at 1 hex. If there are 2 of them you are screwed because you don't have crit damage so it takes many hits to kill someone. If you have a burst weapon you can 1 shot any bluesuit at 1 hex, how is 1 shot kill less cheap than this? Most times i get blown to pieces by gunfire before the screen loads, in a game where the guy who attacks first usually wins its ridiculous to complain about players with the least amount of range.

[PusiteGA]

dude what the hell are u talking about, if u talk about biggunners with lsw or m60 then alright, but what if i have a minigun or avenger and ap ammo or any other leveled char that is not a powerbuild? u have no chance vs a bluesuit unless u run away, and u call it playable? You use the troll build cuz its fun to troll ( when u kill someone) and its cheap ( free ) = free loot when u get and knockdown someone, dont even wanna talk about HTH trolls behind doors, mines and other places if they use instarun u are as good as dead against those trolls

Tard just shoot first dont lete me close whit minigun you can easy kill me

[Uftak]

Tard just shoot first dont lete me close whit minigun you can easy kill me

And here appears my sweet AC.

Which will rise for sure.

[Floodnik]

Heavy handed gives you a chance to kill 1v1 at 1 hex. If there are 2 of them you are screwed because you don't have crit damage so it takes many hits to kill someone. If you have a burst weapon you can 1 shot any bluesuit at 1 hex, how is 1 shot kill less cheap than this? Most times i get blown to pieces by gunfire before the screen loads, in a game where the guy who attacks first usually wins its ridiculous to complain about players with the least amount of range.

Indeed, that's what I'm thinking. You can repeat that over and over, but they still won't understand how easy it is to beat a HH. Well, I guess some people just need to learn how to play.
Personally I don't have a HH char, but I've never got beaten by one, unless he had friends helping him :F

[Killy]

how many hp does a normal hth char have? 250 ? more ? until he gets to you, u have max 2 bursts, or shoots as sniper. U cannot recharge ap b/c the death is coming, unless u want to gamble and try to 1hex burst him. What if he hits u first with all the shitty latency ? Its a coin flip while he risks nothing and u have all ur expensive stuff, so cut off this bullshit. When u crit burst or snipe the troll, all u loot is his blue pajama and hes back in 2 min ...