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[PusiteGA]

I tink solar sed thet they will ner HH and i dont get why?

HH is only good vs 1 enemy if 2 you aliwies lose
Second HH can be counterd if enemy picks in your feace

So if they nerf it to 50% max then if i enemy hass in your feace i have chance of 25% so it is pointles then?

[JovankaB]

Solar said it will be nerfed in a way that will force you to wear unarmed weapons (powerfists/MPF) to make it as effective as now.
Right now it's bad because you can quite easily kill someone without risking a single bottle cap.

[avv]

I tink solar sed thet they will ner HH and i dont get why?

You honestly don't get why?

The reason is that you can immobilize another player until he dies. It's very bad game design.

[Floodnik]

I've learned that nothing is overpowered if it can be countered.
Heavy Handed can be countered easly.

[Ymeogamaouas]

I dont suppose though that we realise that HH or not the other guy can run away and in RT there is no way to catch him...

[Gob]

I just recently made a Hand to Hand character. It's soo fun

[Kelin]

I just recently made a Hand to Hand character. It's soo fun

Fun is the right word. Lots of people (including whiners and forum trolls) tend to forget this game should be about fun.

[avv]

It's not particularly fun to be immobilized. Fun means to be able to control your character and do stuff.

[PusiteGA]

It's not particularly fun to be immobilized.
it can only be done by 1v1 and it can be easy couterd
It's not particularly fun to heve to run to you while you kill me from 20 hex whit 1 ctirical or sneek burst or right shoting

[avv]

it can only be done by 1v1 and it can be easy couterd
It's not particularly fun to heve to run to you while you kill me from 20 hex whit 1 ctirical or sneek burst or right shoting

So what are you actually saying?
To "counter" HH you have to run. I wouldn't say it's countering it because you have to do it or you die. It doesn't kill the enemy character, but makes him chase you until you reach the grid. It's called escaping rather than countering. I wouldn't call this particularly fun either. Why don't we put back the heavy handed npcs we had in the beginning of this session due to accident because it's so fun and easy to counter according to you.
What comes to critical bursts, sneaks and whatever they aren't even related to the whole issue. Your job is to explain why immobilizing is a good feature in your opinion, not derail the issue by representing other stuff that isn't fun according to you.

[Swarm]

Solar said it will be nerfed in a way that will force you to wear unarmed weapons (powerfists/MPF) to make it as effective as now.
Right now it's bad because you can quite easily kill someone without risking a single bottle cap.

That is reasonable, although I would say make sure rocks don't give this capability. These are ridiculous when a level 2 bluesuit can take out a level 24 with full gear just by punching him.

[PusiteGA]

So what are you actually saying?
To "counter" HH you have to run. I wouldn't say it's countering it because you have to do it or you die. It doesn't kill the enemy character, but makes him chase you until you reach the grid. It's called escaping rather than countering. I wouldn't call this particularly fun either. Why don't we put back the heavy handed npcs we had in the beginning of this session due to accident because it's so fun and easy to counter according to you.
What comes to critical bursts, sneaks and whatever they aren't even related to the whole issue. Your job is to explain why immobilizing is a good feature in your opinion, not derail the issue by representing other stuff that isn't fun according to you.

you can counter HH whit in your feace perk and if i miss and i will you can shoot me whit burst from point black instant death to me and it is alwies coutred when atacking 1v2 i cant knock 2 people same time

[Lizard]

Make Unarmed with 180 without unarmed weapons use a AP less, then Heavy Handed nerfing wouldn't be that painful.

[avv]

you can counter HH whit in your feace perk and if i miss and i will you can shoot me whit burst from point black instant death to me and it is alwies coutred when atacking 1v2 i cant knock 2 people same time

So if I meet some HH dude in redding mine I can counter him by quickly making a new character, levelling him until I get in your face, travelling to redding mine and coming to fight the unarmed dude. All that in about 3 seconds. Sounds quite hard to pull off.
It's completely random whether you get the onehex burst or if the puncher gets his punch through first. And if he does, it means death to the burster unless burster has more ap.
Ofcourse 2 players defeat one by default.

But still: why in your opinion immobilizing an enemy is good feature?

[PusiteGA]

if your hero hes in your feace perk i can miss and you get chance to kill me  what you want thet i do 1 dmg and have 100 crit feliurs so you heppy