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Targeting CA with Laser, Sniper and a Minigun. Average values.

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Swarm:

--- Quote from: Crazy on February 19, 2012, 10:49:12 PM ---Wow, that seem suddenly totally OP!
Pretty much only on metal because of it's very high laser resistance. And well, most people I shoot are in CA (when it's not tesla helmet!). Basically, plasma should be near avenger/gatling level for close range fighting against CA, and right now it is worthless because your average plasma char will have less HP and much less damage output for a lower range (plus the unability to point blank burst).

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Yes I agree, the plasma rifle is now a 30hex laser rifle.

But I see these are all headshots :D those big huge bypasses shots are to eyes usually with sniper and laser rifle. 

I guess what we can make out, which I think most experienced players know already that big gunners is guaranteed to do its damage every shot while targeted shot characters relies on a lucky shot to deal big damage.

These are averages but overall I think target shot builds do more damage than big gunners when they get their bypasses and a good critical. But on average big gunner well always guarantee to kill in 2-4 shots.

pti4ka:

--- Quote from: Solar on February 19, 2012, 09:45:28 PM ---For some reason I was sure I changed it on the perk reworking to ignoring the 30DR after any critical, not just bypasses. This must be one of the things I didn't get to do because the little boy arrived and interrupted me.

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At this way Finesse will be certainly trait for snipers like it was on previous sessions with Fast-shot for biggunners.
Because snipers will have 90-95% critical chance without any DR bad effects...

Solar:
They were headshots because you can't reliably do eye shots each time, its simple enough to change it round to eye shots though.

As for Finesse being OP. First of all, it would only be a good/great choice when targetting head/eyes. (Before anyone says they are the only useful ones, they aren't!)

But consider

Before the Wipe:
3 MC, 10 Luck, Better Criticals, Targetting Eyes

After Wipe:
2 MC, 10 Luck, Better Criticals, RBtE, Targetting Eyes, Finesse

Both of these have the same crit chance targetting CA Helmets, but the afterwipe version takes an extra trait slot and has the -crit roll effect of the helmet and the 30% DR for the 5-10% shots that aren't criticals.

You also have the potential of MoS and Bonehead for a total of -30 on the table (-10 after Better Crits is added) vs the standard +20 before wipe.

Floodnik:
Good thinking Solar, approved!
-10 vs +20, that's a pretty big difference, snipers've been nerfed pretty badly, BGs shouldn't have any doubts :)
But also BGs now have to choose between more survivability or damage, which is a good compromise.

matemyday@hotmail.com:
@ Solar,

So what is the current state of 'finesse' trait. Is the -30% to DR void on bypass only or on all critical hits. I am thinking of making a sniper with finesse so a clear answer to this would be appreciated. Your last post seems to imply that all critical shots will not take into account the -30% to DR malus from using 'finesse' trait, if so has this been implemented yet or is this something that will be implemented in the future?

Regards.

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