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Targeting CA with Laser, Sniper and a Minigun. Average values.
Crazy:
--- Quote from: Solar on February 19, 2012, 12:34:50 PM ---Laser Rifle 58.38
Plasma 62.75
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Don't you think that's terribly wrong that the plasma sacrifice 15 range and is much more expansive to get 4.37 more average damage? No surprise why they almost disappeared.
--- Quote from: Solar on February 19, 2012, 12:34:50 PM ---So Finesse is about an 11-14% increase in damage ... and better crit effects on top of course.
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That seem weird. For example if your target wear a BA it's automatically no damage without bypass (70+30). How can the average damage be 10% higher in that case? Except if there is far too much bypass ofc :P
Simon:
I am interested to see each individual piece of damage that was done for the laser rifle, sniper rifle and minigun if you have them saved in a file that you can share with us please. e.g. You done 100 bursts or 100 shots and recorded each shots damage separately, I would like to look at each value for all the shots that were done with each weapon.
Solar:
--- Quote ---That seem weird. For example if your target wear a BA it's automatically no damage without bypass (70+30). How can the average damage be 10% higher in that case? Except if there is far too much bypass ofc
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For some reason I was sure I changed it on the perk reworking to ignoring the 30DR after any critical, not just bypasses. This must be one of the things I didn't get to do because the little boy arrived and interrupted me.
Since I did forget this, it is a tiny effect at the moment, indeed. Needs changing.
--- Quote ---Don't you think that's terribly wrong that the plasma sacrifice 15 range and is much more expansive to get 4.37 more average damage? No surprise why they almost disappeared.
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This is specifically for CA, vs the lower armours Plasma is a lot better than Laser.
Solar:
--- Quote from: farnak on February 19, 2012, 04:38:39 PM ---even now 5mm JHP is absolutely useless in pvp
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I wouldn't say it was useless, certainly AP is generally better. Though PvP isn't everything.
Anyway, in building the next bit of the spreadsheet, to test bursts and their criticals, I learnt that I had applied the critical damage modifier in error (its applied before DT, not after). So slight amendments to the single shot damages:
Laser Rifle 61.75
Sniper Rifle 57.09
Plasma 67.71
(Fixed) Finesse
Laser Rifle 69.5
Sniper Rifle 64.5
Plasma 72.75
Then I wanted to compare Miniguns using JHP and AP with a critical burst build. 25% crit chance, better crits, spray and pray, not CA and 2 toughness. Calculated with JHP @ 40% DR.
Remember that with 3 BRD the figures were:
Minigun JHP 13.05
Minigun AP 86.8
The crit builds (no BRD) were:
Minigun JHP 68.1
Minigun AP 67.88
Then if you really didn't like somebody and took the 4 crit perks and 3 BRD:
Minigun JHP 109.5
Minigun AP 122.06
Crazy:
--- Quote from: Solar on February 19, 2012, 09:45:28 PM ---For some reason I was sure I changed it on the perk reworking to ignoring the 30DR after any critical, not just bypasses.
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Wow, that seem suddenly totally OP!
--- Quote from: Solar on February 19, 2012, 09:45:28 PM ---This is specifically for CA, vs the lower armours Plasma is a lot better than Laser.
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Pretty much only on metal because of it's very high laser resistance. And well, most people I shoot are in CA (when it's not tesla helmet!). Basically, plasma should be near avenger/gatling level for close range fighting against CA, and right now it is worthless because your average plasma char will have less HP and much less damage output for a lower range (plus the unability to point blank burst).
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