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[Killy]

lsw/avenger was just an example, Lets say u remove ammo and guns from encounters and keep guns/dmg unchanged, in that case its still gonna be imbalanced, it cannot be since u have a gun that is 4 times more expensive and does only 10% more dmg than others ( and the problem begins when u die and lose it all, full loot game ...).

It can only go in 2 directions, assault/shotguns/bigguns/plasma,laser rifle (fast shoots) dps guns, everything else+aim shoots as support - break legs,arms,eyes knock downs, knock outs.

or

rock/paper/scissors -  armor/guns system but its another story

[Solar]

Well, pricing is a different matter, I should change them really, but I'm hanging on until new traders though because everything decent gets cheaper (and the difference between the top and bottom is less) and I don't want everyone buying stuff for 5 tobacco

[Killy]

I dont say that making avenger cheaper will solve the problem out. U will end up with everyone using avengers ...
The way it is now could have been OK if it was no full loot game, but it is.

Altough Aim shoots are overpowered , people who play >60 min a day will not let you change it. Hardcore players - no lifers dont care if u nerf BG, they are gonna waste time and farm/craft avengers just to have 10% more dps no matter what, on the other side little sniper nerf will make u read 50 page whine troll topic.

[BesOn]

So funny to read that for big gunners hard to find weapons. very easy LSW blueprint can be found. Miniguns also can be looted from patrols. And also lvling big guns more easier than sg, craft flamer - go in desert. 5 hours = 24lvl.

[Solar]

I dont say that making avenger cheaper will solve the problem out. U will end up with everyone using avengers ...
The way it is now could have been OK if it was no full loot game, but it is.

Altough Aim shoots are overpowered , people who play >60 min a day will not let you change it. Hardcore players - no lifers dont care if u nerf BG, they are gonna waste time and farm/craft avengers just to have 10% more dps no matter what, on the other side little sniper nerf will make u read 50 page whine troll topic.

Cost of Avenger won't make much of a difference, as you'll only get them off Encounters anyway.

[Killy]

So funny to read that for big gunners hard to find weapons. very easy LSW blueprint can be found. Miniguns also can be looted from patrols. And also lvling big guns more easier than sg, craft flamer - go in desert. 5 hours = 24lvl.

as if lvling snipers took more time, or farming guns were more difficult, its all about dps/price/ammo usage

oh and since when people are using miniguns ?

[Floodnik]

U will end up with everyone using avengers ...

Yeah, if you nerf everything but Big Gunners. That's why you need to leave snipers and other builds decent and able to kill BGs, so not everyone plays only them when the prices get balanced

[Killy]

its so shortsighted, lets say it, most of the people play snipers b/c its the cheapest to maintain and best eco build that can be done. Thats it, end of the story, and this alone shows that snipers are overpowered. people wanted to nerf bg b/c werent able to fight against hardcore nolifers, developers agreed and bgs had been nerfed. its not like im a biggunner, I just say that its not balanced and some important changes must be done. Why dont people use shotguns? why dont people use burst small guns? Why only see snipers or avenger builds ?

[Vandal]

If someone was asking me, I would say put MUCH more higher prices on almost all weapons. It's easy to get anything. And if brutal death happens the armor should be destroyed. Why? Because there won't be zilion of combat armors and other armors. And maybe it would be good if you can only trade caps to merchants so the caps will get the highest value in the game. Not some prick comes with crap ammo and buys 5 brand new miniguns and 4 metal armors. Better items should be hard to find and EXPENSIVE.

I have big gunner and sniper (energy sniper and small gun sniper). I don't see any disbalance between them. When I'm playing sniper I can kill almost everyone from far away. From close fight I could easy die. Big gunner is good for close range. Not good against snipers from distance. If something needs nerf I would say that heavy handed needs. (hate those trollers with heavy handed unarmed chars)

[Killy]

There was a talk about fnfal, and I proposed a nice thing, make the upgreaded version do full clip burst, ofc simple answear no gun would be OP. Are u sure? U would have to reload after every shoot, people would start using burst small guns, its just an example, its easy to change this game little by little add more builds and make some perks important without collapsing the system.

[Killy]

I have big gunner and sniper (energy sniper and small gun sniper). I don't see any disbalance between them. When I'm playing sniper I can kill almost everyone from far away. From close fight I could easy die. Big gunner is good for close range. Not good against snipers from distance. If something needs nerf I would say that heavy handed needs. (hate those trollers with heavy handed unarmed chars)

Ok, so u said that u see both build balanced, cheap to maintain build is as strong as expensive BG, thats what im talking about for the whole time, as a sniper u can get almost any weapon and go farm kill, can a biggunner do the same in the same way ?

[Vandal]

Ok, so u said that u see both build balanced, cheap to maintain build is as strong as expensive BG, thats what im talking about for the whole time, as a sniper u can get almost any weapon and go farm kill, can a biggunner do the same in the same way ?

Flamer is cheap and easy to craft , same as the fuel for it. And flamer can fire 4-6 (maybe more) enemies from single burst. It's fast leveling.

[Killy]

Flamer is cheap and easy to craft , same as the fuel for it. And flamer can fire 4-6 (maybe more) enemies from single burst. It's fast leveling.

Are u trolling ? Energy/SG sniper can grab any energy/SG gun, and have a decent chance of wining against everything in his way, u want to tell me that flamer can do the same or m60, or rocket laucher???

[Vandal]

What the heck are you talking about? Leveling or killing players? Dude EVERYTHING is easy to get and I don't understand this topic at all and what are you trying to say

[Killy]

I say how versatile Sniper builds are, and when i say everything i mean it, either players or npcs ...