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Attacked by wandering patrols at sub-3 CH
Lordus:
Do you realize the effects of this change..
I.e.: PvP balance
If you will have to spend SPECIAL points into charisma, in sniper build, you must lower the the endurance. So snipers will be more weaker then now. BG builds should do it same, but the effect will not be such visible, because their advantage is in their guns, not in the perception and luck. So snipers will die (maybe) after one enemy burst instead of two burst you need to kill sniper now. So devs will have to change something else in game (weapons power, ammo power,....). You will start avalance of changes in very hot area, PvP, which is now balanced more then it ever was.
And this only one sideefect of this change.
Maybe you dont remeber it, but in pre wipe eras, there was possible to interact with NPC with low charisma and this change was good i think. As i told you, if you have CH1 build, you need to level up another chars so you need to spend more time ingame. This is disadvantage of this build.
Badger:
--- Quote from: avv on February 27, 2010, 09:13:26 pm ---No there shouldn't. Instead there should be rewards for having higher than 1 statistic.
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Well, anything can be described as a reward for having a high stat or a penalty for a low one however you spin it. The rest of the stats have big penalties if you take 1.
You are rewarded with normal human speech for having high IN.
You are punished with talking like a retard for having low IN.
You are rewarded with the ability to use guns properly with high ST.
You are punished with ranged accuracy penalties for low ST.
Way I see it, low charisma should have penalties. It's the 'social' stat, so crippling it should cripple the ways you can interact with other players. You don't expect to be able to use big guns well with low strength, but people are insisting that their characters should be able to cooperate and coordinate with 40 other people with 1 charisma. As I said, these guys aren't interested in balance, just power.
Pennybags:
--- Quote from: Lordus on February 27, 2010, 09:15:33 pm --- Do you realize the effects of this change..
I.e.: PvP balance
If you will have to spend SPECIAL points into charisma, in sniper build, you must lower the the endurance. So snipers will be more weaker then now. BG builds should do it same, but the effect will not be such visible, because their advantage is in their guns, not in the perception and luck. So snipers will die (maybe) after one enemy burst instead of two burst you need to kill sniper now. So devs will have to change something else in game (weapons power, ammo power,....). You will start avalance of changes in very hot area, PvP, which is now balanced more then it ever was.
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There is currently no real pvp balance anyway. There are just 2 PvP options. sniper or big guns. And while things get changed in this beta you can bet there will be an avalanche of changes in PvP at some point int he future. IThe devs can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the intention is to have only these 2 endgame options when all is said and done.
avv:
--- Quote from: Badger on February 27, 2010, 09:32:16 pm ---Well, anything can be described as a reward for having a high stat or a penalty for a low one however you spin it. The rest of the stats have big penalties if you take 1.
You are rewarded with normal human speech for having high IN.
You are punished with talking like a retard for having low IN.
You are rewarded with the ability to use guns properly with high ST.
You are punished with ranged accuracy penalties for low ST.
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In this case the penalty could be about not getting something good instead of getting something bad. It's much more forgiving than having characters totally crippled at certain areas.
--- Quote from: Badger on February 27, 2010, 09:32:16 pm ---Way I see it, low charisma should have penalties. It's the 'social' stat, so crippling it should cripple the ways you can interact with other players. You don't expect to be able to use big guns well with low strength, but people are insisting that their characters should be able to cooperate and coordinate with 40 other people with 1 charisma. As I said, these guys aren't interested in balance, just power.
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Having low cha cause even more drawbacks causes even more alts and alienates gang powerplayers from certain activities, because there's no way to make cha reduce anyone's combat abilities. Soldiers don't have to be that charismatic anyone can follow orders, but they do need a charismatic and intelligent leader. So what could be done is to make cha useful in gang related fights. So useful that it will solve fights and not having a high cha leader would be a big setback.
Such leader char could bring a group of mercs with him and give bonuses to his teammates. This way cha 10 dudes wouldn't be just busses who transport people around, but lead his men at the field..
Lordus:
--- Quote from: Pennybags on February 27, 2010, 09:48:53 pm ---There is currently no real pvp balance anyway. There are just 2 PvP options. sniper or big guns. And while things get changed in this beta you can bet there will be an avalanche of changes in PvP at some point int he future. IThe devs can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the intention is to have only these 2 endgame options when all is said and done.
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Read my BIG GUNS x SMALL GUNS suggestion thread. The PvP need more complex change than this charisma change. please, dont ruin balance if you have not enough time and ideas how to balance this area complexly.
I told you, that this game is more balanced, then it was. After wipe changes in PvP area are battles little bit longer, because there are no instakills. This measure will weak snipers build than big guns build.
But i dont know, why the charisma must affect PvP area for christ. Look at Lord of the rings, where thousands of ugly orks (NA) almost destroyed the Middle earth(fonline wasteland)? Do you want army of cafeteria's women seducers or what?!
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