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[avv]

I've noticed sf caravans are gone. Same as vc and bh caravans around raiders. Are they gonna be back with differend gear or what?

It's not fun to update Opera's fef if encounters come and go.

[JovankaB]

I've noticed sf caravans are gone. Same as vc and bh caravans around raiders. Are they gonna be back with differend gear or what?

I hope so, farming VS encounter is incredibly cheap now. SF encounters are a joke.

It's not fun to update Opera's fef if encounters come and go.

"Devs stop making changes, you make my item grinding tool obsolete."
Seriously?

[Michaelh139]

I hope so, farming VS encounter is incredibly cheap now. SF encounters are a joke.

indeed.

"Devs stop making changes, you make my item grinding tool obsolete."
Seriously?

I hope you are joking.  If he's the one adding them to the FEF then he already knows the locations, and so it would benefit him in no way.  But if one day it's suddenly Stripped out of the game without notice the information can be percieved as false, misleading, or just plain lie by some.

And what's the point, of adding an encounter to a square, if it's just going to be removed?

[JovankaB]

I hope you are joking.  If he's the one adding them to the FEF then he already knows the locations, and so it would benefit him in no way.

He can forget a location. But yes, maybe you are right. You can delete word "my" from the sentence.
FEF is a spoilish powerplay third party tool, if there is some false info there it's not a problem with game.
Unexpected encounter somewhere? GREAT!

[Swinglinered]

Item grinding is based on A Priori knowledge.

no

[Andr3aZ]

FEF is just for information.
If someone grinds and farms its his/her choice.

I also know how to go suicide bombing through the wiki and the wiki is not a trolltool

[JovankaB]

If someone grinds and farms its his/her choice.

Yes yes, it's not my point you shouldn't. Do what you want.

My point is, I think devs shouldn't hesitate to make changes because it makes
grinding with the help of some 3rd party tools less convenient.

[Andr3aZ]

It's still beta and it's still few weeks after wipe. There will be enough changes. Opera is changing the FCP nearly every day - and oh boy, glad he is still doing it, imagine if he would have lost interest in Fonline during the last season and there wouldn't be a tool that is used this much our community.

Same with the FEF, but here the input is from the community - still he got to administrate it and wipe the database if the changes get to drastically.

Lets wait and look at the whole progression a bit before thinking about such things as taking notes about every single aspect of the game.

[JovankaB]

It's still beta and it's still few weeks after wipe. There will be enough changes. Opera is changing the FCP nearly every day - and oh boy, glad he is still doing it, imagine if he would have lost interest in Fonline during the last season and there wouldn't be a tool that is used this much our community.

Why do you bring FCP to the discussion? It's not related.
I'm also glad for Opera's hard work.

[avv]

Yes this is a lobbying attempt to get more ingame riches and Jovanka just unveiled it.
No but seriously it's about information and things getting changed without announcement. Adding encs in fef is timetaking and it causes confusion if they suddenly aren't where they are expected to be anymore. Devs don't have to restrain from changing stuff because of fef, or any other 3rd party tool but it'd help to hint what isn't there anymore. Finding stuff is easier in fef than finding that they aren't somewhere.

Besides, best enc spots are kept secret by their finder anyway 

[Lexx]

But - as far as I am aware - we never announced encounter changes. It happened already pretty often that we changed position, amount and chance of existence of various encounters on the worldmap and it didn't appeared in any changelog.

[Swinglinered]

I also know how to go suicide bombing through the wiki and the wiki is not a trolltool

A True Bomber would have done it as a natural thing.

[Andr3aZ]

Why do you bring FCP to the discussion? It's not related.

Simple example for how much changes there are in short time recently.

[Surf]

But - as far as I am aware - we never announced encounter changes. It happened already pretty often that we changed position, amount and chance of existence of various encounters on the worldmap and it didn't appeared in any changelog.

Solar has announced it in a postwipe topic that certain VS encounters will be goners.

[Lexx]

Cool, thats one. But I changed encounters pretty often already, moved brahmins around, deleted stuff here, lowered stuff there, etc. So yea, that's not exactly new. Encounters are an ongoing process. You can expect them to be edited with every update in some kind of way.