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Rascal_:
the fact that SD gives always max possible crit is totally f up.... its insta-death no matter what char ur playing,
why those crits are not random for f sake ? Solar have You ever played on Reqieum (longer than 1 week - in some faction, did some serious pvp there ?) ?  On requiem there is that ridiculous situation that there are always 2 stages of battle - 1st stage -> pathetic sneakers war both teams launch their snekers (in bumer equl to players on TS/mumble) - side which wins bring their nromal PvP builds on field  and gets advantage of having sneakers there too.  Its totally boring, sick and pathetic. Wars of ghosts... almost every player on TS was complaining about this.. shit. Now we are getting here on 2238 to the same point.... Sneakers where absolutely fine last wipe. They got their very important place in whole PvP.
1 and most important - inetel/info/scouting which is very often the most important thing in the whole battle.
2 possibility to 1hex from lsw some PvP alts
3 possibility to use them as a tactical weapon - 2-4 sneakers with rocet launcher attacking at the same moment the enemy sniper line just before the rush of main forces.

now we are getting some sick ghosts wars when every char can be just killed without any chance to fight back. snekers can loose some shity leather armor and crappy weapon, regular char whole qxpensive equipemnt worth a lot of time spent ingame.

and btw its fallout sneak was ment to be used to SNEAK under enemies(npc) eyes to avoid them/sneak past them, not like some absolutely ridiculous potion of invisibility from baldurs gate!

Solar:
I wonder if its because uncalled heavily uses target luck for its results and some of these people have dumped their luck to 1 :)

T888, that's not really a fair comparison, more changed to sneak, so facing modifiers before are not a direct comparion.

If sneak really does become a problem and everyone turns into sneakers then I think the front modifier being more harsh would be good, keep the whole sneak thing about using space well.

I did say "if" in that last sentence before either side of the argument goes mad :p

JovankaB:

--- Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2012, 01:11:20 AM ---If sneak really does become a problem and everyone turns into sneakers
--- End quote ---

Even I started sneak burster char yesterday, if someone knew me, this alone would say something :P
Dumped it already though, I can't be bothered with leveling something that can be only used to rape people.
And I'm quite sure sooner or later you will nerf it Solar (even if you don't know it yet), so even less reason
to waste time xping...

I think bigger front penalty and not taking into account any crit table modifiers when doing SD attack
(SD critical would be completely random) would be good enough. Or maybe making grease gun weaker.

mr Wipe:
please just nerf this silent death greese guns smurfs...it is riddicilous that 160hp bluesuit with trash gun can easly kill 290hp ca heavy armed and armored bg with tons of ammo and guns...dealing 600-800 damage from behind is little strange...even bg with +++brd and avenger cant deal this damage from 1hex to ca tank...i know now all newbiez are happy because they can kill anyone with gun from encounter and loot 30k stuff from dead body...my solution nerf damage of silent death to max 230-280 form 1hex using p90 with silent death and better crit and brd, or just disable brust mode for silent death...in 3-4weeks when newbiez will craft/buy/loot some hq stuff will start crying "omg i lost my persious stuff killed by trash greese gunn ninja smurf" omg smurf nija just killed my 300-400hp muties with single shoot...omg wtf...omg wtf...nerf it cause we cant play...;]
this will happen soon or later...mark my words

T-888:

--- Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2012, 01:11:20 AM ---If sneak really does become a problem and everyone turns into sneakers then I think the front modifier being more harsh would be good, keep the whole sneak thing about using space well.

--- End quote ---

Yes.

Some hope was born , please just think about this it's less than it was before wipe but not too much should be balanced -128% front , -64% front-side , -32% back side and -16% back. These modifiers have very big impact since sneak is capped at 300 now , you should know that.

People seem to be concerned about this silent death , just make critical bursts less powerful for silent death that way not spoiling people builds completely , just in case you nerf it :)

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