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avv:

--- Quote from: greece crisis on December 25, 2011, 03:16:49 am ---muties are just action points eaters...nothing more snipers can kill them easly and stop crying about mercs. after wipe you  have to pay them salary so they will be even more expensive. i had 1 merc tank leader but my mercs suck ass. i prefer use high hp mercs but if i die well my mercs are just walking meat for pvp.
and most imprtant think...you cant drop armed mercs over the map...
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It's not about what mercs can or can't do. It's about what kind of build you need to have mercs. If gimping your char means getting good mercs, then it's simply not worth it to buy mercs with some other char because you get less with the same money. Better make total retard char and get good mercs and relog often. I'm saying features that support gimped alts aren't good at all.

greece crisis:
no, i am trying to make ultimate merc build and it is pain in the ass...beside not only luck/ch/en count with mercs hp...my ultimake boosted merc leader is weak and almost imposible to lvl up. so stop crying about "mercs are boosted because he some special points", if u didnt want to have high hp mercs at begin well all you have to do set luck 1 ch 7-8 and rest in stats so u can fight as merc leade tank...i think merc leader who can barly handle pistol with high hp mercs isnt same like 290hp ++toughnes/man of steel tank with normal mercs. avv something for something for something. if u dont want to buy mercs just dont make merc leader build

avv:

--- Quote from: greece crisis on December 25, 2011, 02:29:29 pm ---no, i am trying to make ultimate merc build and it is pain in the ass...
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Yes it's pain in the ass to level and play in general. Why does the game have to encourage making builds like this? All it does is to encourage everyone to level up such build or not take mercs at all. Get the best or don't participate.
I'm trying to propose an alternative so why don't you tell me how would it be bad for gameplay to make it so that all mercs had same hp despite the build? Let's say all human mercs had 200 hp and all muties had 300.
The leader himself could be an okay fighter, but not the best fighter because 10cha and 300 speech would still be pretty big investment.
This way you could actually be good mercleader and a slaver and taking Good Natured would a be a real tradeoff. Currently only mercleaders take good natured because they are so awful they can't get slaves anyway.


--- Quote ---avv something for something for something.
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There is no tradeoff if you only use the merc leader to lead mercs and when you don't do that anymore, you just log off.

gr1m055:
You know AVV I think you are stressing over nothing. Making a gimped merc leader is going to be super hard. It seems easy because we can get unlimted amount of caps get to level 24 in seconds. Have you gone out and combat? Easy things like pig rats and the such are going to be a pain in the ass to fight at level 1-5, I don't want to ruin the suprise why its going to be even tougher to level gimped characters :D I was getting pissed off fighting the simplest things like pig rats with a level 24 tank build.

The Gimped Merc Leader = Going to get owned by the easiest of NPCs and most well just probably rage quit or try something else. You also have to make a ton of caps, the server is going to be wiped remember? So there won't be millionares right away. I can see this as a problem maybe when the next session has been on as long as the current one sure. But making caps is not easy and the NPCs are way harder now. And also there is no bank exploit which has made everybody rich to begin with in this session. I mean good luck, getting caps is going to be way it is now current, nobody is going to have them because people figure out how to suck all the caps dry from the merchants.

In a way if you have a gimped merc leader at level 24, and were able to get the caps to support the Mercs they deserve to have high HP mercs because they went through the trouble and spent countless hours trying to get this character going. Its not an easy route starting from level 1.

avv:

--- Quote from: gr1m055 on December 25, 2011, 04:35:31 pm ---In a way if you have a gimped merc leader at level 24, and were able to get the caps to support the Mercs they deserve to have high HP mercs because they went through the trouble and spent countless hours trying to get this character going. Its not an easy route starting from level 1.
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So because someone worked his ass off outside of the actual pvp event, he deserves to kick everyone's asses? Isn't this the same thing if you could buy game nukes with real money and drop them over other player's heads without them not being able to do anything about it?
The challenges and decisions which lead to victory must happen inside the pvp, not outside grinding npcs and getting caps. Otherwise it starts an arms race where some are bitching because they don't have what it takes to do pvp, others are bitching it takes too long to get pvp stuff and some are just silent and grudgingly grind, not really enjoying the game but doing what needs to be done to win.
It won't happen all the time but trust me, when a gang wants to really really win it will use every method available. When pvp was hot in current session, we saw mercs in every major confrontation. When you want to win, you use mercs. And if it takes a retard-build to get those mercs, you will get it.

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