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merc leader builds
avv:
But the thing here is: either make that minmaxed build or don't buy mercs at all. It narrows down the things a single char can do and encourages more alts. Besides, only when you're very rich and succesful player you can get this alt because it's so hard to level and mercs are expensive.
A tank can never be a merc leader because he has cha1 and no speech. Well you can make a tough mercleader, but it can't fight so it's not a tank.
It's also very bad feature that a mercleader can't fight at all. Your mercs die, it takes long to get back in action because you need to buy new mercs or your char is useless.
So basically it's going to be just another purpose only alt.
Michaelh139:
Alts are a part of the game. Surely you would've come to peace with this by now?
It's fine as is, because it fucks your char up beyond playability, without mercs.
but if you want working character, you must give something up, which is more power mercs.
besides, it is obvious the concept behind it.
Your strength, charisma, speech, inspires, and strengthens your followers, the better leader you are, the better your followers can be, through basic training, and pure leadership.
I just wish, that such effects would take place when you enslaved npcs, would make more sense, but of course, they're just slave, not too much boost.
Think of this characters, as stumpy, bald, diabetic, no-energy, blind, but willfull people, who with their example at surviving in waste, inspire others into their best, or something similar :D.
avv:
--- Quote from: Michaelh139 on December 24, 2011, 09:30:51 pm ---Alts are a part of the game. Surely you would've come to peace with this by now?
It's fine as is, because it fucks your char up beyond playability, without mercs.
but if you want working character, you must give something up, which is more power mercs.
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Can you tell me what exactly are you giving away for those strong mercs? Your crafting abilities? Relog to a crafter. Lockpicking? Relog to lockpicker? Fighting abilities? You have 3 450 hp muties, what else can you ask for? So all this talk about tradeoffs is right out of the picture because you can use alts. Merc leader is just another example of gimped alts, it's even more gimped than str1 sneaker.
Could you tell me how would it hurt the gameplay if all mercs came with same ammount of hp, only their ammount would be affected with stats?
Honestly in current session it works fine with slavers that with cha10 plus magnetic personality you can have 5 npc followers. You aren't the best of the best fighter, but an okay one.
greece crisis:
--- Quote from: avv on December 24, 2011, 11:20:53 pm ---Can you tell me what exactly are you giving away for those strong mercs? Your crafting abilities? Relog to a crafter. Lockpicking? Relog to lockpicker? Fighting abilities? You have 3 450 hp muties, what else can you ask for? So all this talk about tradeoffs is right out of the picture because you can use alts. Merc leader is just another example of gimped alts, it's even more gimped than str1 sneaker.
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muties are just action points eaters...nothing more snipers can kill them easly and stop crying about mercs. after wipe you have to pay them salary so they will be even more expensive. i had 1 merc tank leader but my mercs suck ass. i prefer use high hp mercs but if i die well my mercs are just walking meat for pvp.
and most imprtant think...you cant drop armed mercs over the map...
RavenousRat:
SPECIAL affecting mercs' stats is good, so I will make 10 EN/CH/LK merc leader for suicidal plasma grenade merc squad killing innocents in NCR. Just imagine how many people they will kill before die having so much HP, so I don't need to lvl up them! Also if mercs will respawn after wipe, then I'll have immortal suicidal plasma grenade merc squad who will do it 24/7 each N minutes.
Personally I don't see any other reason why mercs' HP depend on character's SPECIAL. So I agree with avv, that's stupid. I don't know if mercs are respawning or not, if not, then the only thing character's SPECIAL/speech skill can affect is XP rate of mercs, so some characters can level them faster, some slower, if mercs are respawning, then there's no risk, so characters SPECIAL shouldn't affect anything at all, because there will be only one use for it - mercs on 1st level - it means mercs for one use - it means not good from adequate gameplay point of view.
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