Other > Winter 2011/2012
bg balance
Wichura:
--- Quote from: jacky on December 12, 2011, 11:44:06 am ---i know they are overpowered but this time avanger is killing mashine.
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It's expensive, eats shitload of bullets, requires proper build to use (7 ST, which sniper needs that amount of ST?), it's hi-tech toy. What's wrong with making it also killing machine, not watergun, like it is in this era? If I may quote the classic, now avenger is fine as it is.
--- Quote from: jacky on December 12, 2011, 11:44:06 am ---and also making m60/lsw only tb weapon isnt good idea. it nagates idea of bg sneaker.
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Wait what? A sneaky-peaky ninja with gun larger than himself? What is this, some anime pew-pew game?
Anyway if we can't run with LSW/M60, make it at least worth having it, by damage boost for example. Or leave it as it is, there is many useless guns already, one or two less or more doesn't make a big difference :>
jacky:
str 7 so what? all you have to do now is make char with str 6 and take psyho. brd/toughnes doesnt req luck6 so u can set luck 1. but try to create good sniper with luck 10 and str 3 (weapon handling, jet<>buff) for sniper you have to spend at least luck 10 and str 3str and 3perks for more and bett crits, weapon handling, sharpshooter, rbte, and you have only 2perks left. maby 1lg and brof.
what damage boost? lsw-m60? avenger deals 15-25 more damage per burst than lsw. and av eats only 30 ammo now and it isnt expensive and hard to craft.
and if they want to add non running bg weapon they should add bozar with damage 50-50 and str7-8 and 9ap with aimed shoot.
Wichura:
--- Quote from: jacky on December 12, 2011, 02:00:04 pm ---str 7 so what? all you have to do now is make char with str 6 and take psyho. brd/toughnes doesnt req luck6 so u can set luck 1. but try to create good sniper with luck 10 and str 3 (weapon handling, jet<>buff) for sniper you have to spend at least luck 10 and str 3str and 3perks for more and bett crits, weapon handling, sharpshooter, rbte, and you have only 2perks left. maby 1lg and brof.
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It's called consequences of choices, my friend. You want to run around with minigun 250 HP tank-ape, you have to feed it with bazilion 5 mm rounds and pick tank perks. You want to sneak around with smart-ass sniper and pwn n00bz from bazilion hexes, put points in Luck to get reasonable critical chance and sniper perks.
And if you don't want any of these, make Mad Max Wannabe woodsman char and prepare for dying in combat from both above types :>
T-888:
Paper says to rock: " scissors are overpowered "
I just summed your way of logic in one sentence.
--- Quote from: jacky on December 12, 2011, 09:03:18 am ---30-50damage from bazooka? it makes it usless. only 25%crit bazooka can make some damage 100-130.
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It's only for explosive rockets and explosive rockets deal the same damage right now on 2238 , the fact is RL has wider splash damage without bullet spread damage reduction and has knockdown , the weapon excel in team fights not your imaginary 1 vs 1 fights furthermore there is more than one armor in the game.
--- Quote from: jacky on December 12, 2011, 09:03:18 am ---+++brd bg with avenger can kill 1sniper with one good single non-crit shoot.
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Take in mind avenger minigun will be a bitch to get after wipe , so you better test everything with an ordinary minigun.
--- Quote from: jacky on December 12, 2011, 09:03:18 am ---1 guy with avenger can make more splash damage than guy with rocket launcher. now players can have max 290hp and to kill him you had to shoot him at least 6-7times with rocket launcher , so now one +++brd bg can easly kill two ++toughnes/psyho bg bazooka players. bazzoka was allways weak but now it is allmost usless.
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Rocket launcher hasn't been changed at all , stop using explosive rockets and testing everything on BA. DING your wrong again.
--- Quote from: jacky on December 12, 2011, 09:03:18 am ---bla bla bla more personal judgement , bla bla bla
i tried to make good sg sniper char(25%,better,rbte,sharpshooter,brof)and i can get only 160-190hp so sniper hp wont change after wipe. if you shoot 190hp sniper on jet u can deal him 140damage with silngle +++brd shoot and now you can easly make 12ap brof +++brd bg so in max 35hex range after 1-2s sniper will be lead meat
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Nub , try to find a team and get some experience in team fights and you will be enlightened , it doesn't work that way.
--- Quote from: jacky on December 12, 2011, 09:03:18 am ---and 250-290 bg can take 1-2shoot from sniper before he reach him, also now armors have -%crit modificators and perk right between the eyes inst to good.
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Your personal opinion is surely no evidence of that.
--- Quote from: jacky on December 12, 2011, 10:03:36 am ---my point is bg with avanger is to powerful, bg with bazooka is to weak, snipers hp wont change. sniper does one shot , when sniper runs away with brd +++ bg kills people in 1 second , make something go away , very weak while snipers die because bazoooka deal crap damage and brd+++ kills all in 2 seconds yes why sniper perk right eyes is bad and deals jet on 140 damage and is to OP , avenger +++ brd kill all in one shot when snupers can't shoot with sniper , bazooka is crap
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When i read your posts it sounds like this , your sense of judgment is really bad , stop posting i warned you before.
Like no one agrees with you and you still can't shut up and accept that your wrong.
i know i have problems being polite , but fuck this thread is so stupid.
jacky:
i know it is consequence of making prof pvp build. but my point was that damge and hp are boosted but only for bg chars. snipers will stay as they are now, so it will be unbalanced. i can easly make 246hp +++brd, +toughnes, ++lg, quick req, brof build with 12ap and pe 8 on drugs (small frame, bone head) this build is killing mashine. i dont see point of making one ultimate weapon in game, only gauss can compare to bg with av now. we have a lot of intresting weapons which arent implemented, solar gun, pulse pistol <--it could be awesome for sneaker, bozar, pulse rifle, and my fav alien gun.
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