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Philosphy of PK
gr1m099:
--- Quote from: avv on November 27, 2011, 04:53:18 PM ---I know what you mean but there's a reason why your alt gets shot. It doesn't matter what your intentions are at the moment you meet those guys but what you have done previously. If you have done bad things from their opinion, you're their enemy and enemies must be shot.
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Not really the point I was making, maybe I should eleborate my point. What I was trying to say that if I go on an alt that lets say an enemy anti-pk faction knows about they well shoot it even if its a level 6 blue suit, which is how every faction in the game acts if you are in different faction that isn't ally all factions well shoot that character. And that's what the game is more about than simplistic thinking of good vs evil and associate anti-pk as good and pk as evil. The game is shade of grey there is no good and evil, its a game where groups of players fight each other and make alliances. I know there are people who play it for PvE and do not partake in PvP but anti-pk and pk is a PvP term.
Also in response to this quote, this is why I do not like anti-pk groups, who are you guys to say I'm not allowed to mine and enjoy the game because I shot a blue suit or pk somebody in an encounter, its a free game people are allowed to do so. I think its idiotic to try to start a group to punish people for their actions, which is why I did not want to sate my opinion on this because I generally do not like anti-pk factions for this reason, and this well probably turn into d into a faction flame war. I generally do not think its right to blacklist people because they kill other players in encounters or at mines.
But I think when new players start this game they take getting killed personally, in reality the PKer is probably just some guy who is bored looking for some PvP action.
Its the wasteland its harsh learn to defend yourself, this is fallout after all you have to accept that there well always be people who prey on the weak, when you are weak and low level you have to accept the fact that there are people out there who well kill you.
Generally when people think of anti-pk they think they are some sort of saviors who go out and hunt people who kill noobs and other players, but they are just another PvP faction who do town control, and group to do PvP. Once you see it from this view point its just another player vs player group nothing more.
--- Quote from: avv on November 27, 2011, 08:47:38 PM ---There isn't but there's reputation and consequences. If one kills everyone he doesn't know, he will be a man with few friends but many enemies.
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And walking around role playing "authority" and telling people to go do forced labor, and to make them role play firing squad sure wins people over.
A concerned wastelander:
--- Quote from: gr1m099 on November 27, 2011, 09:21:08 PM ---Generally when people think of anti-pk they think they are some sort of saviors who go out and hunt people who kill noobs and other players, but they are just another PvP faction who do town control, and group to do PvP. Once you see it from this view point its just another player vs player group nothing more.
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Indeed. Being ANTI-PK doesnt mean your Jesus.
Brick:
--- Quote from: Michaelh139 on November 27, 2011, 07:59:51 PM ---That's all PK and Anti-Pk is. A synthetic conflict created by humans in order to have a goal/challenge to overcome, it just happened to divide people up so that they might fight each other for their cause, just like so many other instances in human history.
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I have to disagree that it a synthetic conflict. I play this game as I play every game, as the good guy. For example I have never completed any fallout game as a 'bad/evil' person, and I consider my playstyle to represent the kind of person that I am.
When I first began playing, I wouldn't even shoot at non-aggressive npc's as I considered this a bad thing to do. However it became a needed procedure to attain items to keep up with the pvp that I later joined (for example only one npc has lsw's and they are non-aggressive). This is something I wish to change for the next season.
--- Quote from: Wind_Drift on November 27, 2011, 05:03:27 AM ---...However when another player attacks you, it's apparent that it was a conscious decision made by the person controlling their character...
...I tend to view PK's (myself included) as an extension of that role, whereas those of the APK mindset obviously don't see it that way. I've had discussions with adamantly APK players who have told me that they feel PK's are terrible people in real life as well, and their play style is only a reflection of that...
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It would be nice if 'PKs' were just an extension of this role, however in my gaming experience, I have found it a rare sight. Just by itself, 'PKs' are good for the server. They present a challenge within the game that doesn't already exist, and provides the 'good' players with an 'evil' nemesis to attempt to destroy, and vice versa.
However, from what I have seen, the majority of 'PKs' are not like this. Instead I am hit with a barrage of insults and childlike behavior that makes the game unenjoyable for most, and transfers a stereotype onto the others.
--- Quote from: Johnnybravo on November 27, 2011, 12:09:58 AM ---The game have very few rules so there is no moral problem in killing players even just for fun.
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I disagree. While you may not see a moral problem, others do. Many players would not shoot a new player who has been collecting junk/wood for the past few hours because they would feel guilty about doing so.
Johnny Nuclear:
--- Quote from: gr1m099 on November 27, 2011, 09:21:08 PM ---Generally when people think of anti-pk they think they are some sort of saviors who go out and hunt people who kill noobs and other players, but they are just another PvP faction who do town control, and group to do PvP. Once you see it from this view point its just another player vs player group nothing more.
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.....group, which some players like to see, beacuse they can feel safe for a while..... used to be....
Shonsu:
--- Quote from: gr1m099 on November 27, 2011, 09:21:08 PM ---Also in response to this quote, this is why I do not like anti-pk groups, who are you guys to say I'm not allowed to mine and enjoy the game because I shot a blue suit or pk somebody in an encounter, its a free game people are allowed to do so. I think its idiotic to try to start a group to punish people for their actions, which is why I did not want to sate my opinion on this because I generally do not like anti-pk factions for this reason, and this well probably turn into d into a faction flame war. I generally do not think its right to blacklist people because they kill other players in encounters or at mines.
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Ok... so it's ok if you kill random people you've never met before but it's not ok for someone to attackk you for that? I really don't see your logic.
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