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The New Californian Republic annexes border states
Jotisz:
--- Quote from: Wire on October 07, 2011, 11:39:18 PM --- Got questions? use pm.
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As I said whining always happens no matter what its impossible to please everyone, however if we look at the aspect of the game Fonline is based on Fallout which is an RPG not an isometric shoot em up though the combat aspect is fun still RP events should be more important, personally I find the pvp aspect a bit like an isometric Quake (its not a negative thing I like that game and the fast paced action), on the other hand the RPG aspects are almost missing there not the quests they are nice and good but the majority don't play a role. In the beginning when I started I expected something more RPG oriented my first char even had a background and was unique lately I started to make background for my unimaginative clones of characters it doesn't change the fact they are just clones and poorly made chars though.
The sad thing is that any try to make the game closer to Fallout is getting called attacks against the player base...
Anyway I don't like that this event got abandoned and would wish if it would be continued by any GM, but I feel it will be scraped.
Johnnybravo:
Combat has little to do with quake, but that is irrelevant.
Roleplay does not suffer from lack of GM intervention, but from lacking game design.
Don't get me wrong, there are many cool and often unseen features, but often they are unfinished or useless. For example : what the hell is purpose of holding radio, buying it, and having to obtain it every time you goddamn die, when you always have your pib boy (far more expensive piece of equipment) with you? Joining an IRC channel then eliminates nearly all usefulness of the radio (with the exception of encounter invitations, or distress signaling how is it really called).
Support roleplay by making better and more realistic suggestions for developers or by reviewing current features.
Keep in mind that you cannot just bother people with more grind by saying "you have no to eat and drink", but why shouldn't eating and drinking at least do something? Roleplayers will be happy just for visual or vanity effects, while others will NOT be affected and will not affect roleplayers.
People often compare Game Masters to their desktop/paper game counterparts. But honestly, you don't need them in that sense (the reason you want to have them in non-computer roleplay games is that you will not have your fun spoiled by background information that your character should not know, but is required to run the game), because server already does it.
Sure game masters can intervene and do things that are (yet) not generated by server and maybe will not ever be, but you can't even honestly require game master to help every roleplayer out there.
Eternauta:
--- Quote from: Black Key on October 08, 2011, 09:19:30 AM ---And you've never heard them saying: "let's kick out RP players and delete RP mechanisms In Game. We don't need them to enjoy our PVP"...
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Maybe not among your friends, but
--- Quote ---All friggin' MadMax wannabes should friggin' hang.
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But anyway, it's still true that faction PvP can still happen without TC. And it's true that TC works fine for "metagame-heavy PvP" (as Nice_Boat called it, and I'm not using those terms in a pejorative way) but some of its characteristics clash with RP, in my opinion. Examples are server messages ("this faction is taking that town, countdown") and Pip-Boy statistics, which give you automatic information out of nowhere.
But, I hope you understand, I think this discussion is quite off-topic in this thread, so I won't type a longer post about this.
I admit I have still not read that long "TC next session" thread because I've been studying for university exams and I just didn't feel like reading some thread that was quite long already the first time I saw it. When I spoke about Ravenous Rat's idea, I meant something he'd posted in another thread ("Redding"?). So, I believe there is no point in discussing TC in this thread when we have that other one. I will read it, then, unless somebody already said something very similar to what I think, I'll post there.
Lexx:
--- Quote from: Johnnybravo on October 08, 2011, 03:41:21 PM ---when you always have your pib boy (far more expensive piece of equipment) with you?
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You don't have a PipBoy, it's just the interface.
JovankaB:
--- Quote from: Johnnybravo on October 08, 2011, 03:41:21 PM ---Sure game masters can intervene and do things that are (yet) not generated by server and maybe will not ever be, but you can't even honestly require game master to help every roleplayer out there.
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GMs can't do that much anyway, they can't insert real content into game to be like real GMs for roleplayers.
Also I think 2238 devs wouldn't allow that even if it was possible, because from what I saw they want to have total creative control. And it's normal, because it's their game. And it would be chaos, so it's wise. It's just not a platform to have GMs like from pen&paper. And engine doesn't allow that anyway so it doesn't matter. So you are thrown into some premade environment that isn't particularly rich in features for RPs. It's good for team PvP.
Also possesing NPCs and controlling environment is rather clunky.
I made something like special quest for one random player once and it took me like half a day and turned out to be rather poor.
Obviously it doesn't work, but I had to try. Then I sticked to mutant attacks which people here enjoy.
So all GMs can do is spawn things that exist in game already. Anything more advanced requires developers and server restarts.
That's why best you can see from GMs is some spawn lots of stuff and lets fight events or pure social things, like some poetry tournaments.
Things like the one Surf tried end with disaster, because they require consant presence of GMs.
It was not town controlled by NCR. It was chaos. You can't just spawn dumb AI and hope for the best.
So maybe replace GM term with "server moderator" and it will be clear.
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