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[John Porno]

listen up kids, now the official story behind peacekeepers:
1: redding alliance swarming everyone
2: rouges pissed of, forming north bandits.
3: both redding alliance and cs can't handly it on their own
4: they form the peacekeepers alliance.
5: shortly after they break it up because we still weren't able to win on a regular basis, plus some people had issues with loot.

Bottomt line, the whole peacekeepers thing was to counter north bandits.

also, Being APK or PK doesn't have anything to do with Town Control.

needless to say that peacekeepers purely was a tc alliance to get namecolorsing and to enable the use of mercs.

[headshot]

Listen up, uber adult. Do you know what are we talking about? Seems you don't if you can't separate the example from the main topic.

[John Porno]

yeah, right, we talking about a guy who met one of us ingame and didn't know how to contact us directly so he psoted on the forum. I have no idea from what realm suddenly all this redding talk was summoned.

also, now that you finally now the truth about peacekeepers, pelase shut up about it.

[kttdestroyer]

KTT: I believe you're very smart to ask such questions to me, because it seems you are aware that I'm not the most active member of C88, so I can't give a proper answer to your questions.

No offence, but you were just openly talking about current situation like you knew how it was. I guess you should talk with people around to find out the current and more realistic position.

Why does tsar attack bh with rougues then?

Aint that also a rp town? if you wanna judge some first look at yourself.

Never seens anything about gecko a free town? where is the that written? i never heard such a thing from hawks and i talk to some each day.

And c88 lead the attack last night? It was one guy on sneaker relaying info back to duder that lead the op.

Naah, we are not in this "anti pk" faction thingy. Looking at us i will say straight out (as i always try when speaking for TSAR): we join BH attacks becouse we are looking for you and TTTLA, unfortunetly BHH suffers... But that is the only place where TTTLA and C88 shows up, or at nights. Before you raided Redding for second time, we were defending BH together with BHH against your raides of "justice". Then you took a step further and declared war on everything left on the server.

Last night the "Duder" stated otherwise 

listen up kids, now the official story behind peacekeepers:
1: redding alliance swarming everyone
2: rouges pissed of, forming north bandits.
3: both redding alliance and cs can't handly it on their own
4: they form the peacekeepers alliance.
5: shortly after they break it up because we still weren't able to win on a regular basis, plus some people had issues with loot.

Bottomt line, the whole peacekeepers thing was to counter north bandits.

also, Being APK or PK doesn't have anything to do with Town Control.

needless to say that peacekeepers purely was a tc alliance to get namecolorsing and to enable the use of mercs.

Nice story. So, you guys do most of the time TC (like 95% of the time) and there anti-pk and pk doesint matter? Even if town is full of begginers? The town is safe, people can mine, can trade, and you start to mass pk everything on sight... Come on, those people in town get killed becouse you decide that its ok? Does any of you guys see the hypocrisy in this? or you are so into it that you cant see it anymore?

Think this way, dozen of begginers standing in downtown, then you attack and start shooting them, do they think about something like TC? Or are they here to mine, hang around and trade? I mean, what are you talking about? "Hey, we come here to do TC, we are Anti PK, give us all your loot and all die please, becouse now we do TC". Do they fight back? Well, if you would go to some dudes house and take a crap on his carpet and starting to demolish his kitchen table with a hammer, would he defend himself with the gun he owns? I think he would, same with bluesuit's who were having good and safe time until you started "Take your bananas, 3 2 1 enter mine".

[John Porno]

Naah, we are not in this "anti pk" faction thingy.

now I could totally only quote this part of the comment and troll the hell out of it but, as you can see, I'm not actually going to do it.

also, can a mod please close this? it's been open for way too long. everyone knew when he read the first psot what is going to happen to this thread anyway.

edit: @ ktt
a few weeks back you claimed redding to have a safe home for your gang. and to test militia, to se how good it is. then you all decided to jerk of onto that militia all day long, seems to be getting mroe hp that way or soemthing. But anyway, redding is a tc town and you took it. At taht point you werent allied to tttla nor c88 but we let you have the town for some time.

Then there were multiple incidents that pissed us off that I dont have to list here so at some point when we were a good numbe ron mumble we decided to attack it.

Redding is not a guarded town. ou cant blame us for having fun the way the game is intended to work. You never claimed redding to be an rp project that would be worthy of our support, you didn't even establish any contact with anyone to maybe talk over some details beforehand or something.

You take a tc town to get caps and then woner when you are attacked? surely fonlien must be the wrong game for you.

[Eternauta]

No offence, but you were just openly talking about current situation like you knew how it was. I guess you should talk with people around to find out the current and more realistic position.

Pretty much a fallacy here. Re-read my posts and you'll see I am speaking about our faction in general.

[Jackall]

This is just a senseless shitstorm, and it's the wrong way of blah blah.

There's no point discussing about this TC/APK thing, 'cause there are just so many POVs that it's impossible to neutrally declare one better than another, despite the difference of pro/cons points of any version. Best thing this conservation can lead to is to a better understanding of every faction point of view.

Fermenting this thread further will just mutate it in the usual topic gone OT with a flamewar, and actually it's so already and just makes the forum moar full of shit.

[kttdestroyer]

now I could totally only quote this part of the comment and troll the hell out of it but, as you can see, I'm not actually going to do it.

I am not trolling, i am just asking what you guys stand for... Relax.

You take a tc town to get caps and then woner when you are attacked? surely fonlien must be the wrong game for you.

Maybe it is, but surely it is not wrong game for you 

Pretty much a fallacy here. Re-read my posts and you'll see I am speaking about our faction in general.

I am talking in general. You state that TC and AntiPK/PK thing doesint work together, which doesint entirely make sense to me. But, what i know is that you can do a TC like we do, meaning, take a town and have some fun hanging around with random people, help them out and so on... Until Metal Thugs, TTTLA, C88 or CS comes kills them, occupies the city and kills more of them ofcourse.

[The DUDE]

looks like a lot of crying here. im interested to know how you think you know so much about me KTT as well.

[T-888]

Redding is not a guarded town. ou cant blame us for having fun the way the game is intended to work. You never claimed redding to be an rp project that would be worthy of our support, you didn't even establish any contact with anyone to maybe talk over some details beforehand or something.

I pretty much agree to destroyer.

I usually try to keep out of this crap but this time i can't , i don't mind if you play the game as it's intended i think nobody does but since you have declared yourself apk countless times , don't you think you should stick to the role you have chosen because well that's the way how to play this game otherwise your just a hypocrite , in my opinion everyone has their role and each role is too unique to be recognized as black or white , pk or apk it means none of these terms describe any of the major or even minor parties in the wasteland somewhat precise.There is a huge difference between an elite military organization and some small gang that just tries to survive , but you still call both pk that is not correct , there is a huge difference between a strict and dedicated peacekeeper organization or just a neutral party that tries to find a secure place in the wasteland , most people will call them both apk and that is just wrong and incorrect.

Now i think there is some confusion and misunderstanding in people what c88 actually is. I have this feeling people just don't understand you and it's for a fucking damn good reason. If i would be a new player i probably would think your just some merceneries for tttla  ......... wait you know what when i started playing this game i actually didn't even see the difference you all were tttla for me because of the actions you made.

I don't , i think nobody wants to hear again that your apk this is gonna lead to another wall of flame that tells you are hypocrites , so enlighten us what are you really , define your purpose and meaning in the wasteland.

[John Porno]

First off, I agree to your first paragraph as well, but I'd like to take a closer at the following passage:

If i would be a new player i probably would think your just some merceneries for tttla

This is the main problem of this forum; most of the people that post here are known pk's and since the gang issues section is for issues, the majority of posts are made by those that just got killed or that just dont like a certain faction/certain people.

As a result, most of the posts on here a wrong in a way that they are only based on one point of view, on only half of the facts, on a misconception.

And in the end a lot of people are too naive and think that what is written here is the truth. Of course Michael139 is best informed about the current constellation of gangs and has all the insider knowledge one could get of tttla, crazy88, hawks and whatnot.

At least that's what a new player would think.

Yes, we were TTTLA minions, that was last year when the only people of crazy88 with pvp chars were leon and me, joining tttla to help them. Nowadays though it looks differntly, sometimes even the opposite. The spammers dont care though and keep spurting that bullshit form 6months back. But anyway, that wasnt even the point fo your statement, I know.

My position as an APK player is quite easy to sum up: I only shoot known enemies (enemies as in people that are confirmed to once have shot an ally) and people that piss me off. Granted, a lot of "innocent" people might fall in the second category but hey, this is the wasteland. If soeones standing in BA+minigun in the middle of the street you dont run up to him and a bluesuit and talk shit.

My way of the APk even goes that far that I leave people that are unknown to me the first shot when I meet them in reno. At one point I was standing in front of eldriges's with cmbtlj+plasma psitol and a guy with a polish sounding name, m60 and metal armor spawns. I still left him the first shot.

If you are not an idiot and not a known pk'er then you wont get shot, simple as that. The difference between apk and pk is just that for me.

[Michaelh139]

And in the end a lot of people are too naive and think that what is written here is the truth. Of course Michael139 is best informed about the current constellation of gangs and has all the insider knowledge one could get of tttla, crazy88, hawks and whatnot.

At least that's what a new player would think.

I see your obscure trolling very clearly but I suppose i might as well explain my view-point for everyone else's fyi.   (I admit using word "minion" was a bit derogatory but this was the only more closely describing my opinion-fact that seemed appropriate to what I have seen)

No matter what your gang, or tttla has ever put on the forum about being anti-pk or following some "law", nothing I have seen of either of you ingame (on a normal character no one even knows about just pveing) or otherwise, have I have managed to live past 5 seconds of seeing your nicks.  TC or not.  Also, I have been around with many gangs on the server, and despite all of them being pks (besides one quite recently, however surprisingly they have the same opinion, what a surprise) they have all had similar experiences as mine and only reason they have such a poor opinion is because one main reason, word, and ethic:  "Hypocrisy". 

I don't think anyone likes hypocrites.  I don't, they don't, probably very few people on the server could possibly stand a hypocrite.  I don't even think a hypocrite could stand a hypocrite.  However that's the only opinion I've managed to gather involving TTTLA and everyone allied to them. (despite peacekeeper alliance, there is a reason it didn't last long) 

However, during my researches through my time on the server, there have been a "Few" cases where you were praised for whatever you were doing.  But eventually, their opinion, too, changed into a negative for the exact same reason mentioned in the previous paragraph.

So honestly, I think with this post I'm done talking about it on forum.  As this seems to be the only thing being spammed related to gangs, which is getting extremely old, and I wouldn't be surprised that other people are getting very irritated by it.  (despite having the choice whether or not to read the posts...  It is only news on here, so it's kinda all they got).

[Eternauta]

I am talking in general.

You are not talking in general. You talked about a question which I "have still not answered properly" - It made me think of a question you asked in our recruitment thread, about killing innocents in mines, with a screenshot of some dudes over a corpse (no context), and which got deleted after that ...after you apologized for spamming our rec thread.

So after spamming our rec thread, you spammed this one as well.

I would like you to take a look at the recruitment applications posted in our gang forum. A lot of them were posted by guys who "have heard only good stuff about C88", or "who hate griefers and so think C88 is the best faction for them".

I would like to know why it's you, KTT, the one who's spamming aggresively and the one who turned this thread into a flamewar. Your comrade Killian has posted here as well but with a much more moderated tone, and Lacan was the one who apologized in our recruitment thread before all comments were deleted.

You state that TC and AntiPK/PK thing doesint work together, which doesint entirely make sense to me.

It makes sense if you read what I have said: when you're going to fight in a town, you can never be sure who's innocent and who is not. It's very easy to make a mistake during TC, so when on TC, being APK is just a reason for others to whine about you being "hypocrite", or something similar.

We are being honest here: you will probably get shot when we do TC, because game mechanics don't allow us to be sure who's dangerous and who is not. But if we encounter you around the wastes we won't shoot at you unless you're a known enemy, PK, whatever.

But, what i know is that you can do a TC like we do, meaning, take a town and have some fun hanging around with random people, help them out and so on... Until Metal Thugs, TTTLA, C88 or CS comes kills them, occupies the city and kills more of them ofcourse.

Another smart comment. So we can "do TC" like you do: "take a town, etc" ... So how should we take the town? Doing what is need to be done to take it and probably making many mistakes in the process. I think this is not weird for an APK TC gang.

[Sarakin]

Beginners are a myth. Either they dont exist anymore, or they hang in NCR/VC/Hub. Those so called begginers in unguarded city are mostly alts of gangs that participate in TC. Or real beginners might wander there too, but with current cooldowns and travel speed, the value of lost items after being killed is almost non-existent. 

[Kelin]

...but with current cooldowns and travel speed, the value of lost items after being killed is almost non-existent. 

Maybe for you, but not for the most of the beginners. I remember times when gathering 10 brahmin hides took me like 3 days.