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[NinjaKid1994]

Hello, I am new to this game and I was at redding and I ran into three really cool guys named Ninja Dude, .Slaz and the third guy was some wierd name I can't remember. They told me to come this forum thing if I wanted to join a group called crazy 88 which sounds like a really cool name. I tried to find the forum message they were talking about and I could not find so I decided to post this message. I am interested in becoming a lawman and being on the side of justice is the type of thing I would enjoy doing in this game. I am still kind of new to the game but I would like to dedicate myself to fight on the side of justice! It seems like everywhere I go I get shot and lose my gear that I spend my hard earned caps on and want to be in the group faction that hunts these peoples down!

So how do I go about becoming a lawman who fights on the side of justice? I am 17 years old and turning 18 and I am mature for my age and I do not commit crimes in the game, I do not like player killing and stealing and I am an honest guy.

I am part of a cave that I created with me my cousin and his friend from work, but they do not like doing player versus player stuff in games. They mainy play just to do quests and fight NPCs, but I want to fight these people who kill other players!

When I went to go and try to go to the mine I got killed by some stupid guy named the SP3CIALIST and then there was this stupid guy kept shouting these annoying messages and even tried to kill me with a shotgun named Peace XD he almost got me I had 2 HP! And he kept writing stupid messages like for great anarchy! I really want to be a lawman in this game and I think people like Peace XD and SP3CIALIST need to be brought to justice! Along with those funny russian named players and various other people who have killed me in my adventures!

I really want to be in what my cousin calls a anti player killer faction! Preferably crazy 88 as the guys I talked to in redding were really cool and I want to join them

[Brick]

For Justice

http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=11303.0

[NinjaKid1994]

Thank you!

[Accents187]

Your making a big mistake. Crazy 88 is supposed to be ANTI pk but they kill for fun all the time. Thier a pretty corrupt group. Tell me if you have any problems with them.

[Kelin]

Due to the game mechanics (no namecolorizing etc.) it's almost impossible to be true anti player killer, who never made a mistake. C88 never did merc traps at unguarded areas, mindless random bluesuit killing, tent following, base raping...

If you got shot by C88 in their town it's because they're at war and war never changes. Innocent people die, you can't do much about it. But if you meet them anywhere else you have pretty good chances to stay alive compared to some other gangs who don't care about it.

I used to play with them (as an ally) for quite long time and the most of them are really nice guys. They have interesting recruit system that I personally like. So if you want to be a part of some bigger group I suggest you to apply for sure.

[Michaelh139]

They are tttla's minions which are not even anti-pk (They have mentioned this quit a bit), yet c88 claims to be "anti-pk", however following someone else's play, as well as clearly killing innocent people all the time including raiding the town of redding which has been under obvious peaceful and fair control of another anti-pk gang.

And yet you would defend them?

[Kelin]

I don't defend them, just saying that they are not better or worse than any other gang. Peaceful Redding has been raided by almost every major faction like CS, Rogues, once even by VSB/Hawks (I'm not proud of it, it was rather stupid decision than considered step) and now as you can see by TTTLA/C88. It's not about Redding fair control, it's more personal.

New players shouldn't be bothered by some stupid ego wars. They just want to enjoy this game, they want to craft, fight and die. Nothing more nothing less. If they wanna get involved, they will find a way how to do it. But the most of them don't care.

[Fizzle]

PS. Dont let other Factions fool you. Many people get pissed off because they've probably been redflagged or marked because they've been consorting with our enemies.
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-- Some Reasons why you may have been killed --
Encountering a known PK or a redflagged character; feel free to kill at will.
Encountering an unknown player; when is it OK to engage this player?
- player shoots at you.
- player treathens you.
- player loots your kills.

-- Town Control --
Any single player entering during TC will be given a warning to leave immediately or be executed.
Any movement not going towards the exit grid will be considered a hostile action and player will be killed.
Any groups of armed and/or armored players entering during TC will be immediately fired upon.
Any groups of unarmed players entering during TC will be given a warning to leave immediately or be executed.
Any movement not going towards the exit grid will be considered a hostile action and players will be killed.
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If you've been killed for no reason (that do not violate the reasons above) and you know you were not red flagged than you may have been shot by a rouge faction member.
With Out proof nothing can be done unless you can Convince to Supierior faction members.
-- Just because someone "Says" he is in a certain faction does not actually make that a true statement. --

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Oh and NinjaKid1994, i would be honored to take you on Hunts, to level up your characters. I hope to see your Application.

[Eternauta]

Thanks Kelin for the mature attitude you've shown in this thread.

Crazy 88 is not a corrupt group, we are just another faction which, no matter how strong it has become, is still (and will always be) sharing this "world" with other groups. Conflicts always exist and mistakes are always done. Also, once your gang becomes a TC one, the PK-APK dichotomy will not always be useful to describe it. You always want to be something and behave somehow, but you're not always able to do so.

And we are not minions of the TTTLA, please don't say such nonsense if you have no idea what is going on. It is true that we ae very close to the TTTLA at the moment but that does not make us their minions, it just means we think they are currently our best choice for an alliance, just like we have chosen other factions to ally with in the past: that was the case when The Sarmatians and us were The Desert Protectors.

Thing is, I don't remember anyone saying "C88 are TSAR minions" (or vice versa) back then... Now they do say "they are TTTLA minions", but that's just because TTTLA is "the most hated" faction and everyone who hates TTTLA will speak bad about them everytime they got a chance.

Anyway, back on topic NinjaKid1994 I'm very glad you've had a good experience with some of our guys, that kind of things shows us we're not so far from what we wish to be.

[Josh]

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Any single player entering during TC will be given a warning to leave immediately or be executed.
Any groups of unarmed players entering during TC will be given a warning to leave immediately or be executed.
...

Warnings are issued on the bullets they fire, TTTLA will shot anyone who enters during TC, even if you are in allied faction, with no warning. If TC is going on its best to go elsewhere because they take it very (perhaps too) seriously. Also don't even consider standing next to enemies or *gasp* conversing in a business manner with TSAR during peace time. You will be labeled outlaw regardless of it having been ok'd that you remain on neutral terms with TSAR prior to incident. Bureaucracy at its finest.

[Eternauta]

Warnings are issued on the bullets they fire, TTTLA will shot anyone who enters during TC, even if you are in allied faction, with no warning. If TC is going on its best to go elsewhere because they take it very (perhaps too) seriously. Also don't even consider standing next to enemies or *gasp* conversing in a business manner with TSAR during peace time. You will be labeled outlaw regardless of it having been ok'd that you remain on neutral terms with TSAR prior to incident. Bureaucracy at its finest.

You should understand that this game allows alting and that during a battle you can't never be sure if the low level character in cheap gear standing in front of you is an innocent guy or a spy. And no offense but going into a location where a fight is going on is simply not the best choice.

Also sometimes someone does shoot an innocent dude, but it would be awesome if people, instead of raging against the whole faction, saw this incident as an act that was probably a mistake by an individual and not an evil plot the faction came up with, or what's even worse, blame the whole alliance about it (for example this thread is about C88, but Josh is talking about TTTLA). Just send us a PM, or get into our IRC channel if something happens, and ask for an explanation - preferably in a nice way, after all we are not enemies and that's why you ask for an explanation. If instead, you rage and go "this faction sucks they're all a bunch of assholes" there's no point in complaining if you get killed again. Of course, nobody won't answer quickly during a battle because fighters would rather not be distracted, but I guess we don't really have to put much emphasis on that detail.

We've made mistakes in the past just like anybody else. But then some of our innocent victims got in contact with us and we returned his items with an apology.

And yes, things can get a little bit bureaucratic sometimes, but that should not be a surprise in a big gang with a lot of things on its agenda, and a lot of problems as well.

Oh, and an additional note: remember that in this game where people alt freely, you can be some lonely PK, kill a bluesuit who has just recently joined the game, and tell him "lolo i am crazy88 suffer n00b" - and the newbie will actually believe the PK is C88 when he is not.

So, as said, there are a lot more reasons to talk about stuff nicely instead of hating.

[HertogJan]

During TC all strangers are considered spies.
If you get shot entering a town during TC several of the APK factions (like C88) allow you to get your stuff back when the TC is over.

Oh, and an additional note: remember that in this game where people alt freely, you can be some lonely PK, kill a bluesuit who has just recently joined the game, and tell him "lolo i am crazy88 suffer n00b" - and the newbie will actually believe the PK is C88 when he is not.

Or they (reese) say you've been blacklisted by ... gang.
Make a screenshot when that happens and ask the gang about it when it's an APK gang.

[kttdestroyer]

If a gang acts becouse of personal issues, the previously "Anti-PK" rules are overwritten by personal issues. Few weeks ago it was only TTTLA and C88 that didint have any peaceful town for their own that they cared about. One question remains, if a gang is 95% into TC and in TC everybody is to be shot (by the several explainations above) then at what moment have that gang right by the common sense to call themselves "Anti-PK"? I guess, its the other 5%, in encounters, some short moments when they control towns and are in town. Attacking peaceful town like Redding is probobly not part of this "Anti-PK" excuse, or maybe it is? I think you guys should precise your ideology more detailed.

[JovankaB]

They created their imaginary rules when they can PK innocent, peacful people (they can kill anyone when they go through process of changing pipboy status) and when they can't (although even these rules are broken by them sometimes). It's fine, but it has nothing to do with justice I can create my imaginary rules too - kill only in mines and only people with hammers, hey I won't even loot them! Then I'm anti-pk who never pks unless you mine ore.

[Surf]

They created their imaginary rules when they can PK innocent people (they can kill anyone when they want change text message that is visible in pipboy or when they think person is "spy" or dangerous) and when they can't (although even these rules are broken by them sometimes). It's fine, but it has nothing to do with justice

I am ( as you all know) not much into the game, let alone all thos faction wars, twists, fights and what not, but even I noticed that the past few weeks when I was more active ingame on both the GM and normal account. There was a time when I actually believed that they do some good stuff in the wasteland and I thought this Lawyer stuff was an elaborate and noble attempt to bring some good stuff into the game. Boy, how was I wrong.