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[John Porno]

I posted you the screen and it was quite "fresh". You post some kind of tale here or your mate posted screen before, that was taken long time ago. Just to post it, because I am not able to find any rational explanation for that.

I am on the screen myself. You Posted that screen, basically implying that we went there with 8 People for nothing. To clear things up I tried to give the people the full story of what happened.

And then you tell me im talking bullshit of soe other action? seriously man, that's beyond retarded. Despite the fact that surf solar will lock this thread soon enough anyway, why the hell are you even talking to me here?

You post a screen as a third party on world map that was not part of any of the action and then you tell me, as someone who was obviously was inside, that I have no idea of what happened?

Too bad we only have a video of the second rush how we kill hawks and 3 tsar, not the first part of the action. If you pressed on preview one minute earlier you would see the same picture, just with hawks names and some loot lying around.

The point is though, You are not wrong. But you are not right either. And some people just can't tell that "Not being wrong" doesn't mean "being right".

[Aquare]

it's always fun though how I see guys like Korrell, notiluss, rio and a lot of others in groups from 8 to 15 camping on commercial and not going into tc. Compared to tttla/c88 and hawks these days, you guys have the greatest numbers.

This was first redundant answer. Just simple arguing about numbers. If you are not able to catch it, I will rephrase it with your language rules: "you have moar people and dont ask us to not bring all we have atm". You're welcome. Also I see, you suggest finely to start TC timer, when someone's group reaches 8. I still can remember the nice sentence like "Do you want to tell me how I should play?". Guess, who is the author of this.

I am on the screen myself. You Posted that screen, basically implying that we went there with 8 People for nothing.

You went there to kill people, I have no doubts for your simple intentions, but still you told TC is more suitable for larger number of players.

(...)then finally the actual rest of another rather large group, probably jazzers or something.

At the same time considering also:

You post a screen as a third party on world map that was not part of any of the action and then you tell me, as someone who was obviously was inside, that I have no idea of what happened?

You're inside location and you're not able to call your enemies you were fighting and then you just say how many they were, using particular names? That could be called as "retarded" or very unwise. In the same way I could say you were 20, because I fight you both; Hawks and Crazy88. I said, that image competition had come back. You and your mates started it, so I assumed it's much easier for you to comprehend content in the picture, instead of many letters.

And then you tell me im talking bullshit of soe other action?

Quote that part, please.

Despite the fact that surf solar will lock this thread soon enough anyway, why the hell are you even talking to me here?

Yes, but much easier would be to remove your posts deprived of valuable content for the whole matter, either warning. However, I am a bit surprised you can predict things so easily or you just want to obtain the state like that. I did not force you to post here anything, if you do, you have to accept, that someone other has the right to answer.

If you pressed on preview one minute earlier you would see the same picture, just with hawks names and some loot lying around.

As far as I know, when the topic was established, you and some other groups weren't fighting each other. It gives more people on the one side. If you want to talk about that one fight, create new topic and I will not post there. This one concerns big fights in New Reno and that screen is suitable to post here and I cannot see any reason to go into details.
At the end, I propose you to start using "Read->consider->post" method. Apparently, you do not use it or you missed middle ring of this simple chain.

I apologize everyone, that could be annoyed with quotation every single sentence, but like I said some just get it easier with pictures. The rest they can make up themselves in that case.

[John Porno]

well, you wiht your pvp experience should know that one action is not over after one fight.

First, some of us saw 7geared people in reno so they called for backup sicne they wer eonly 4 at that time. When we had like  or 8 on wm ourselves we had information of around 4 hawks spawning on commercial, engaging in combat so we spawned on 2nd street ourselves and went in, killing everyone there. We quickly grabbed the loot and ran out just to see around 6 hawks spawning on commercial again so we quickyl dropped our loot and spawned 2nd street again.

From that point on one of us recorded how we then went to commercial and attacked the hawks, while 3 tsar were coming from 2nd street,

Now I ask you, what kind of problem do you have with that action? I don't see anything in there worth crying about.

You took one screen at one point of the whole operation and based on that you cry "trololol why u not tc u even said so urself olol"

but enjoy your strawman argument.

[Aquare]

It's better if someone bases on something (anything, it is), than just tell silly stories. You do not have pics/vids and it's not my problem. I do not cry, I point you're wrong and it has more to do with your 1st post:

it's always fun though how I see guys like Korrell, notiluss, rio and a lot of others in groups from 8 to 15 camping on commercial and not going into tc. Compared to tttla/c88 and hawks these days, you guys have the greatest numbers.

rather that one fight.  Now, I am really scared. You don't read my posts carefully, but also don't it with yours. It's not topic about your "operation" with tactics or without -> new topic. I got more pictures, just not going to make one big gallery here by the way.

[avv]

It's better if someone bases on something (anything, it is), than just tell silly stories.

I like to read stuff from the enemy's point of view. Sometimes it's hilarious what sort of misconceptions they have. For example Bhh thought once I was some sort of leader of TTTLA.
It's impossible to know what exactly happened in certain situations so players just tell their own point of view. If we were always supposed to be 100% right and prove everything without any misleading evidence there wouldn't be any talk about pvp ever.

[Aquare]

That's really interesting. The topic was assessed as crying from one side, when there was much bigger alliance on the another side. My own point of view of course and I really wonder who would be brave enough to judge a fight as omniscient arbiter. Although I was on the WM for some time, I can at least say who was fighting who. John Porno has problems again, which don't stop him from telling how many people got every side. Now some man has problems:

it's always fun though how I see guys like Korrell, notiluss, rio and a lot of others in groups from 8 to 15 camping on commercial and not going into tc. Compared to tttla/c88 and hawks these days, you guys have the greatest numbers.

Topic was abandoned for some time and no one had problems, at least here. So John Porn says someone has the greatest number, but screen depicts, that he's a bit wrong... Nothing more to tell at this.

[T-888]

The fuck are you dancing about one damn screenshot it's like .... hello dumbness reaches the skies ! Talk about things in general , from rogues point of view most of the battles and by most of i mean at least like 2/3 we were only trying to intercept the battles as a third party because we didn't have the numbers. I see it simple , guess who is camping new reno mostly the (random amount of factions allied together aka the faceless blob ) guess who likes to come back more than they need to deal with current enemies (people need to think for 2 sec here ) yes that's right you just guessed the one million dollar answer the faceless blob , they are more and guess what are they still doing --> see the first action , from random faction view....

Random faction guy one: " hey guys let's go TC modoc "
Random faction guy two: " hmm good idea maybe someone will show up "
Random faction guy three: " wait i scouted like 11 guys in new reno and maybe more and a lot of fighting going on "
Random faction guy one: " ehmm .... well if so many people are in new reno we should go there "
Random faction guy two: " okay reno it is "

In the end there is another town control in new reno yeah ..... the cause of problem is too many guys showing up to camp new reno in the end faceless blob is always right and it's never their fault cause " we have so many people what should we do " ---> go tc !

No what's or buts otherwise http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbGkxcY7YFU

btw i actually had problems calling you all as a gang so faceless blob well isn't original but what the heck suits you fine.

[Lidae]

Dear Aquare,

You posted a screenshot of me, John and 6 other people on commercial street in Reno, asking us why we were there instead of starting a tc timer. Given the criticism of large scale wars in Reno, your question is fair - allow me one humble attempt to explain to you what I believe happened in this particular instance.

At first cham0 from TTTLA came to our (C88) channel on mumble and asked if we were interested in fighting some people in Reno - he and recon had spotted approximately seven people in good gear (BA), and one of the names were associated with having spawned mercs in the past, so it seemed like we were up for quite a challenge. At the time it was only me and Leon in our channel, making us four versus possibly 7 or more people.

Since our odds didn't look too promising, I went and asked some people that were online on our IRC channel. More people than I expected were willing to join, and we ended up with 8 people in total. After a while a ninth person joined, and a minute or so later another guy dropped out, so our numbers were 8 for the majority of the duration.

At this point I suppose one could stop and ask if, since we're after all 8 people online and ready, we shouldn't instead start a TC timer. The reason we didn't, or why nobody even suggested it, was that a fight in reno was more or less guaranteed, whereas you can never be sure that anyone will come if you start a TC timer. Thus we went with the "safe" option, providing the best chances for us to have some fun PvP.

So we got ready and when we saw the enemy, we entered the town and the fighting started. I usually try to record every action that I'm in, since you never know in advance if a fight will be fun to watch afterwards, but unfortunately I wasn't really paying attention, and I only hit the record button about half way into the first fight. We ended up winning the fight, and the screenshot you posted is taken only a few moments before we all leave again: it is just after we have secured most of the loot.

A short while later, the action resumes, and we have another decent fight, although not as gratifying as I had hoped.

The fights were in no way spectacular, and the recordings even less so. I personally made several mistakes and was not really focused, so I was a bit disappointed overall. But since you have showed such a keen interest in the exact transpiring of the events that night, just to quench your healthy thirst for knowledge, I have compiled for you my unedited footage, and uploaded it to youtube. I didn't plan to upload it before, because I don't think it's interesting enough to watch. But for you, I made an exception . This way you can see exactly who was where and how large each side was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfc10wQ62uk

Please watch it, and if you have any complaints or arguments why this type of action should be disallowed in Reno, why they bother you so much, or if you have suggestions on how any of us can avoid them in the future or to make the playing experience better for all of us, I am all ears.

Have a good day/night, whenever you are.

[Michaelh139]

I wish we all gangs (at least the ones with numbers, so the smaller ones have a chance any.) would lean toward a low tier gear agreement in new reno.  I mean, all tier 3 gear everywhere in fallout like is for most part is ridiculous enough but jeese, can't have one place where you aren't raped by a guy in ba/avenger killing you in combat leather jacket and a 10mm smg.

With low tier gear, numbers won't matter quite as much, as death rate will be much smaller, and real tactic can be formed on how to win against enemy.

[T-888]

At first cham0 from TTTLA came to our (C88) channel on mumble and asked if we were interested in fighting some people in Reno - he and recon had spotted approximately seven people in good gear (BA), and one of the names were associated with having spawned mercs in the past, so it seemed like we were up for quite a challenge. At the time it was only me and Leon in our channel, making us four versus possibly 7 or more people.

This is exactly what im talking about if there is a large number camping reno already you can't expect people to come with small numbers and if someone is in reno it guarantees a fight because fighting with the timer isn't fun.

Michael everyone likes ba/avenger it's teh power altough lazers can counter it just by shooting arms , and leather jacket , 10 mm smg can you pick more shitier weapons wheres the fun bursting a guy 4 or 5 times till he is dead , i like how pvp is with high tier shit fast and aggressive not some tb or low tier combat where you have like half a day to think , btw low tier combat will just end up being SS eating contest if you can't kill the guys fast enough and that's even more crap.

[Aquare]

I just was about to post this you forgot they use merceneries quite often and with that kind of amount of resources and people they should go town controlling(...)

it's always fun though how I see guys like Korrell, notiluss, rio and a lot of others in groups from 8 to 15 camping on commercial and not going into tc. Compared to tttla/c88 and hawks these days, you guys have the greatest numbers.

As an answer I posted screen, we have agreement you're nine there at the peak. One could call it kind of "proof" and just stop, but you're, for unknown reason/s explaining all matter. Thank you very much for detailed description, but it doesn't help much. Maybe Korell, notiluss and Rio have similar justification, you cannot just say they camp New Reno for nothing. I just do not have any reason to believe. And now I say: "They weren't so many!" or they could spot like 15 enemies inside, enter, enemy is gone and then you made preview. In my opinion if someone writes, that adversary uses mercenaries very often or has more people, he had many opportunities to record it or take screenshot - it's not that hard. Especially, if he doesn't have any issues with recording victories. In my opinion screenshot (quite new) is much more reliable than just word of John Porno in this case.

The fuck are you dancing about one damn screenshot it's like .... hello dumbness reaches the skies ! Talk about things in general , from rogues point of view most of the battles and by most of i mean at least like 2/3 we were only trying to intercept the battles as a third party because we didn't have the numbers. I see it simple , guess who is camping new reno mostly the (random amount of factions allied together aka the faceless blob ) guess who likes to come back more than they need to deal with current enemies (people need to think for 2 sec here ) yes that's right you just guessed the one million dollar answer the faceless blob , they are more and guess what are they still doing --> see the first action , from random faction view....

I said, I was not going into details of that screen, if someone is, he's doing wrong in my opinion. I just use it to define numbers. I do not expect screenshot to explain or prove everything what happened, still it's more than just empty words. I do not think so, John Porno analyzed situation of 8-15 guys camping New Reno precisely enough. Though, it could not be just one time, but I am sure he remembers one at least. He just said it, so why I should not. You just got pic extra.

I have no idea, if you can read a bit smaller letters, but notice when John Porno posted:

it's always fun though how I see guys like Korrell, notiluss, rio and a lot of others in groups from 8 to 15 camping on commercial and not going into tc. Compared to tttla/c88 and hawks these days, you guys have the greatest numbers.

If he's sure, let him paste screenshot, taken after 30.08.2011 of course. He had enough time to discuss older ones. For me 8-15 men camping New Reno with mercenaries (at least 5!) are worth of taking screenshot.
Yesterday, someone called 1 man, literally, group of many (I see it should be 3+ at least, no idea what many means for everyone, but if they entered with mercenaries, they had to thought about more) and also found random faction name for him. Similar you can assess numbers in New Reno, that's why screenshot is useful.

About low tier gear, rocket launcher is tier 1 and it's still very good. Anyway, I like the idea - lower damage, longer fight.

So we got ready and when we saw the enemy, we entered the town and the fighting started. I usually try to record every action that I'm in, since you never know in advance if a fight will be fun to watch afterwards, but unfortunately I wasn't really paying attention, and I only hit the record button about half way into the first fight. We ended up winning the fight, and the screenshot you posted is taken only a few moments before we all leave again: it is just after we have secured most of the loot.

Use Amboy Tactical Tool (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=16218.0).

[Michaelh139]

Michael everyone likes ba/avenger it's teh power

Proof?

and leather jacket , 10 mm smg can you pick more shitier weapons wheres the fun bursting a guy 4 or 5 times till he is dead

it's called an example, not like it will be only weapon.  Flamers (Improved flamers, fuel mk2.  Huge damage on armor below tier 3). and M60s exist. and they are not tier 3 are they? 

I like how pvp is with high tier shit fast and aggressive not some tb or low tier combat where you have like half a day to think

Ok thats your opinion no need to bash on others over it.  besides, you can't exactly fight in TB in towns can ya?

btw low tier combat will just end up being SS eating contest if you can't kill the guys fast enough and that's even more crap.

There's a reason SS's cause 9 damage to health over time, besides, you really think people are gonna bring tons of Super Stims over a leather jacket and 10mm smg or a leather armor and assault rifle?  Really dude?

[John Porno]

I still understand Aquares point at all though.

We go in with 8 people to attack an equally large group and he takes a screenshot of us and makes us look like we are the evil reno swarmers.

Please Aquare, just answer me this, if there is a large group of enemies camping in commercial, what is wrong with entering with an equally large group to kill them?

Do you wantus to wait on wm for 2 hours until their forces have halved or what? Lidae's post summed everything up perfectly. In no way we swarmed the enemy there and the fights were as fair as it can get in reno. At least the average person would not complain there, just the guy who wasnt even there in the first place does, for no reason at all.

[Grzesiu]

Actually most times is that, large squad waiting on WM till some unlucky guys will enter and getting swarmed :p

[Aquare]

Of course, Hawks or Crazy88/TTTLA would not resist entering with 5 men on 1, if they can see him from preview. I am too lazy to describe these, believe or not. Anyway, I like much the case when LeMark enters with his Avenger on RAMBO, actually believing he can pwn everyone there . If he loses, ultra quick backup enters from WM. Yes guys, I know you can get everywhere much quicker than everyone else... Do not post me, if LeMark is active or not here, please. Also I do not have any problems with this tactic as well, but last time he entered and killed bunch of newbies. Challenge!!!  Notice, it happens very often, Hawks or you in New Reno and then side that enters says there was someone already inside. Was fight with equals numbers and what? I don't have problem with that as well. Topic was a bit abandoned for some time and you brought new stuff here, where there is (at least in theory) different distribution of forces. Still, if you like zergs fights in New Reno, go on. Just do post things like (I'm quoting it like 6th time):

it's always fun though how I see guys like Korrell, notiluss, rio and a lot of others in groups from 8 to 15 camping on commercial and not going into tc. Compared to tttla/c88 and hawks these days, you guys have the greatest numbers.

Paste screenshots or just stop. If there had been so many guys like you told, they would have entered as 3rd probably during the fight you got on YT.

About Tripleight's post - "no comment" is enough. Maybe do not apply to whole posts, but for sure to large part of it.