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[Ulterior]

I have one question which is already very old - when will the game developers incorporate battle balance? If we consider the sniper build equal to the large weapons build - why are they still placed in the middle of the map?

All in all, its like years going by, and nothing changes here

[Eternauta]

"Oh, right. Combat balance, how could we forget about that?"

*presses the button which magically fixes combat balance*

"All done."

[falloutdude]

he is right thou snipers can reallyy unbalanced they can kill you in 1 shot i mean a bger comes with a avenger and a ba (tough mofo) not for a sniper bam 1 shot that tough fucker is dead from a insta or a knock out after wipe i know they are doing anti crit stuff which am looking forward to but really they should take out insta kills perioid a guy in a ba should not be killed with 1 bullet makes no sense...... just my owe personal rage =p

[zuhardu]

he is right thou snipers can reallyy unbalanced they can kill you in 1 shot i mean a bger comes with a avenger and a ba (tough mofo) not for a sniper bam 1 shot that tough fucker is dead from a insta or a knock out after wipe i know they are doing anti crit stuff which am looking forward to but really they should take out insta kills perioid a guy in a ba should not be killed with 1 bullet makes no sense...... just my owe personal rage =p

Did you just said that a guy with a BA and a sniper (tough mofo) can meet a bluesuit with a minigun, shoot him one time and then the bg gets close to the sniper, shoot once and kill the sniper? Because, believe it or not, that is also posiblle. Also, the snipers have the "insta kill" chance, but that is a chance, not something that happends at every shoot and is not even a "insta kill" it's a 100-130 dmg shoot with knockout, which can be followed by 4 shoots of 5-10 dmg. The 200+ dmg instants are very rare. Also bgs can use pshyco, try to fight one of those with a sniper.

[Trias]

I have one question which is already very old - when will the game developers incorporate battle balance? If we consider the sniper build equal to the large weapons build - why are they still placed in the middle of the map?

All in all, its like years going by, and nothing changes here

I agree BG's should be just as effective as snipers at range and snipers should do as much damage as an avenger from 1 hex away. Just my two cents but to make this game balanced I want to be able to use my HtH guy in TC so... I don't know can you make that at sniping range when I have a ripper equipped the enemy cripple their legs from my sheer badassery?

In all seriousness don't you think it's annoying for BG guys to have to run after a sniper crippler when he spawns and the sniper is camping at the other end of the map?

[zuhardu]

In all seriousness don't you think it's annoying for BG guys to have to run after a sniper crippler when he spawns and the sniper is camping at the other end of the map?

I have an ideea: blind all snipers. That way snipers can do what they are build for... oh, wait, THEY ARE SNIPERS!!! It seems that snipers are long range shooters...

[Trias]

I have an ideea: blind all snipers. That way snipers can do what they are build for... oh, wait, THEY ARE SNIPERS!!! It seems that snipers are long range shooters...

Yes I know  I was trying to make a point.

[Jay]

Play sniper. Stop whining.

[falloutdude]

Play sniper. Stop whining.

yes lets have a fonline of pure snipers thats fun because everyone wants to play a sniper  

Did you just said that a guy with a BA and a sniper (tough mofo) can meet a bluesuit with a minigun, shoot him one time and then the bg gets close to the sniper, shoot once and kill the sniper? Because, believe it or not, that is also posiblle. Also, the snipers have the "insta kill" chance, but that is a chance, not something that happends at every shoot and is not even a "insta kill" it's a 100-130 dmg shoot with knockout, which can be followed by 4 shoots of 5-10 dmg. The 200+ dmg instants are very rare. Also bgs can use pshyco, try to fight one of those with a sniper.

aye everything u say is true yes is possabile for a bluesuit to kill a ba guy but take hinkley for ex: like pit right from the start sniper got you in range booom down on your ass knocked out for 130 dam you have 220 hp he keeps shooting for 5-10  lucky you where knocked out face down cuz he could not get eyes or u would be dead the second u get up bam dead another shot to the eyes ..... yea so fair alll the toughness and pshyco in the world dont help much vs massive crits just saying crits are way too massive damge right now for a bger u need to run up to the guy as he is shooting at you to do instas or even 130 damge depending on if he has toughness/drugs. just saying. btw i use psycho alot does not help against crits much......

[Michaelh139]

EW cripplers are the biggest problem, at least with me.  4/5 times they shoot to eyes its either:  Insta kill or 200 HP knockout knockdown bypass blah blah.

Doesn't matter if it involves a "chance" if the chances are so high it's literally fullproof 95% of the time.

Honestly, from my own experience, Snipers are "balanced", it's just their auto-aim feature that breaks the balance.

[falloutdude]

yes thats what i mean may be a chance but i find the chance is so high its servely unblanced to insta

[Gazzz]

as for me snipers and bgunners is both good. Depends of combat situation. Unarmed melee, throwing and energy must be ballanced. cos energy snipers will never be so good as SG, and plasma rifle will never shoot far then 24 hex, like lsw or minigun do.
unarmed and throwing i wont even talk about. but anyway even hth can easily defeat bgunner, or a thrower can kill a sniper. So i think the ballance isn't so greatly bad. 

[Reiniat]

EW cripplers are the biggest problem, at least with me.  4/5 times they shoot to eyes its either:  Insta kill or 200 HP knockout knockdown bypass blah blah.

Doesn't matter if it involves a "chance" if the chances are so high it's literally fullproof 95% of the time.

Honestly, from my own experience, Snipers are "balanced", it's just their auto-aim feature that breaks the balance.

oh come on. can you just stop of be against us? we have problems too!!!!  its very hard to take down guys like you using BA,252HP, with psycho, 2toughness, stonelol and running with his Avengers to shot us at one hex and chearing "oh yes die"
EW cripplers ale balanced, you are unlucky

[Michaelh139]

oh come on. can you just stop of be against us? we have problems too!!!!  its very hard to take down guys like you using BA,252HP, with psycho, 2toughness, stonelol and running with his Avengers to shot us at one hex and chearing "oh yes die"
EW cripplers ale balanced, you are unlucky

Quite literally me and everyone else then...  is quite unlucky 

Not that everyone is complaining.

[Trokanis]

Well basically this is the issue with taking a game not designed for uber builds, and letting them go up against eachother.  By the time they 'balance' this game, it's combat will be nothing like fallout, might end up like real time wow pvp fights, walk in, hit your attack button til other guy is dead.  Hell right now it's so funny that a small gun pistol does so much dmg because people whined about sg'rs in pvp.  Now sg's do as much as energy pistols, energy's are almost at the dmg of most rifles, and heavy guns are barely any higher.  Then people cry realism in every other part of this game...  WTF you expect the devs to do. A sniper bullet in the EYE is gonna be a ton more destructive than a spray of bullets in the armored chest at range, (where most may not even hit the target). 

You want a realism fix for that, a helmet with a blast shield. Equipped makes per 1, but covers eyes.  Oh no you don't want that kind of realism, but you wanna be able to hunt everywhere, and kill anybody especially if they're lower lvl?  And yet you wonder why the people who make this game in their spare time are not only way behind, but more than a little frustrated?