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[SIGISMUND]

if a group of people would be with me together we would make a mod that adds more Space to the wasteland
Also i want to make (if some people join) an translation in german. (we have russia and english, now i want to make groups that translate it to their language

You just stick to Diablo 2 and everything will be fine.

[AphexTwin]

SPOILER ALERTS
FO3: hey dawg let's run away --> hey dawg i wanna stay and ride overseer's cock --> fuck you bitch im going outside --> 15 levels later --> RADIO: HELLO THIS IS BITCH I NEED HELP IN VAULT 101 OMG please U GAIS --> omg thx but gtfo u can't stay here kkk?

FO2: ye chosen one hath mission of sacred kind to retrieve ye olde holy geck --> thou hast slain a cunning, talking breed of demons and hence forth brought home the holy geck --> yo chosen try dis weed omfg dragonflies excreting shiny metal men why am i bleeding omg shitting dicknipples --> help the chinese <advice boy> here's your tanker, gtfo --> my name is Frank Sterroidan and fk u --> omg where are my legs semper fi --> chosen evacuates all the yokels and builds a superior city so VC can go hide in their ass

oh god this was hard to read.

I wasn't really trying to put the original Fallouts down... I was kind of saying that depending on how the story is perceived by somebody they can twist it in words anyway they want... Like how I made Fallout 1 sound really short? Its unfair that you say Fallout 3 is short and then make Fallout 2 sound like the biggest game in the universe just by stretching it out. Here, watch this. 

There is drought, go get geck. --> Geck retrieved, save us from enclave --> Kill enclave save us

 

[kiki123]

So youre saying FNV did not have a story?

No but to me the story was not as exilitrating as the first one... maybe because they ruined it months before it came out and said everything what would happen.... maybe it was the saem engine so the game wasnt as good... maybe maybe ,maybe.... but i will never know for sure...all i know it wasnt as good as f3... and f3 isnt even worth mentiong when it comes to f2

[Badger]

My biggest disappointment with Vegas was the Strip, by a long way. It had been built up, hinted at, made out to be some incredible blend of pre-war sleaze and nuclear apocalypse survival. Instead we just got a few uninspiring quests and the most bizarre looking prostitutes I've ever seen in a video game. It felt flat, washed out and boring. Same with the towns on the outskirts, like Freeside etc. - they didn't feel like slums surrounding an ivory tower. I didn't feel any closer to Vegas than when I was in Primm.

The whole thing didn't feel 'connected', if that makes sense.

[AphexTwin]

My biggest disappointment with Vegas was the Strip, by a long way. It had been built up, hinted at, made out to be some incredible blend of pre-war sleaze and nuclear apocalypse survival. Instead we just got a few uninspiring quests and the most bizarre looking prostitutes I've ever seen in a video game. It felt flat, washed out and boring. Same with the towns on the outskirts, like Freeside etc. - they didn't feel like slums surrounding an ivory tower. I didn't feel any closer to Vegas than when I was in Primm.

The whole thing didn't feel 'connected', if that makes sense.

I actually preferred Freeside much more to the Strip; had a much more interesting feel while the Strip just seemed very over hyped and kind of dumb.

and the prostitutes are very strange...

[Surf]

I actually liked the atmosphere of Freeside, but it didn't win me over like the NPC say "it's a very dangerous place where you can get jumped everywhere..." - yeah right, a few bums with prybars aren't even a challenge if you'd go in there with a level 1 character.. Anyway I like the fucked up look of it. As for the Strip, I hated Reno in FO2, I hate the Strip aswell.. I just don't buy the " gambling" stuff, it doesn't feel right for me. The quests on the strip were horrible too, I got lost so many times in these fucking casinos....

[Eternauta]

I agree with Bager and Surf about the Strip.

I don't like the New Vegas Cowboy Gambler thing at all.

Fallout

=/=

New Vegas

[Surf]

Agreed for the gambling, but I don't see why "cowboy" stuff is so much of a far fetch.. Fallout had a sci-fi western feel since the very first game. It also makes sense that people wear their everydays attire after the war - why should they suddenly ditch all their "cowboy" clothes and hats suddenly?

[Lizard]

There is drought, go get geck. --> Geck retrieved, save us from enclave --> Kill enclave save us

There is a broken waterchip, get a new one. -->Yay, waterchip, now save us from Master --> Kill supermutants save us. Thx, GTFO.

You can generalize everything, nevertheless, at least F-NV story elements wasn't such a bland rehash like Fallout 3.
Where do i start - big surprise, in a vault. But i have a daddy with issues, pardon the anime reference. Bastard king daddy would be more awesome than Liam Neeson.

[Eternauta]

Agreed for the gambling, but I don't see why "cowboy" stuff is so much of a far fetch.. Fallout had a sci-fi western feel since the very first game. It also makes sense that people wear their everydays attire after the war - why should they suddenly ditch all their "cowboy" clothes and hats suddenly?

Not saying they should, but why should they all dress and speak like cowboys? I didn't see that in the other Fallouts, where people seemed to be wearing scavenged or handmade clothes of any kind, not just cowboy stuff to look like a bad ass "desperado" pistoleer. The "western feel" you talk about is true indeed, but "western feel" is not about clothes.

Edit: the New Vegas cowboy stuff, I can't find it here, or here, or here, or here. I know it actually was there, especially in Junktown and Redding, and also in some other small cases like Roger Westin's clothes. But it certainly was not "the" style.

[Surf]

I didn't stumble over that much pistoleer characters, maybe that's why.
As for the actual "Sci-Fi Western" - you probably got me wrong on that. I meant the feel of it is very close to what we now know as the "Wild West" - no laws, borderland, people shooting/robbing each other, etc. That's spot on the wild west theme and fallout had/has always a foot standing in it. You may also consider that New Vegas plays in Nevada, where people just tend to wear stuff like that (cowboy hats, etc), even in real life, while the original ones played in California, and (partly) Oregon, Nevada.

[Eternauta]

As for the actual "Sci-Fi Western" - you probably got me wrong on that. I meant the feel of it is very close to what we now know as the "Wild West" - no laws, borderland, people shooting/robbing each other, etc. That's spot on the wild west theme and fallout had/has always a foot standing in it.

Yes I think I got you wrong. I did understand you meant that but I thought you were saying that "feel" was also about wearing cowboy clothes.

You may also consider that New Vegas plays in Nevada, where people just tend to wear stuff like that (cowboy hats, etc), even in real life, while the original ones played in California, and (partly) Oregon, Nevada.

I really hope it's like you say, and that it's about different regions of the USA. Anyway NV feels like a disguise party: cowboys, Romans, Mongols, Elvis :S

[Surf]

Yeah, I've never got the hang of the Legion, I always just kill them on sight for their silly attire and gibberish they talk. Even if Sawyer always defends them, I still think the incarnation like they are potrayed in New Vegas is just a huge and blatant fail. The same goes for the Khans - while their quests and backgroundstory is ok, disgusing like djengis khan with those helmets is just... duh.. Yes I know, even the FO1 Khans were supposed to look like that (look at early drafts for character concepts) but in New Vegas? Fail. The fact that all the human models and faces in the Gamebyro Engine look like shit doesn't help either.

As for the Kings, when I first read about them, I thought the same as like with the Legion. Ingame, they actually turned out to be an interesting faction, I liked their backgroundstory.

[Badger]

Yeah, I've never got the hang of the Legion, I always just kill them on sight for their silly attire and gibberish they talk.

Yeah, the Legion were clearly Sawyer's baby, and nobody had the authority/balls to step in and point out just how uninspiring they were as a faction. Despite all the THERE ARE NO GOOD GUYS it's pretty clear the NCR were much better for everyone. If it's a choice between bureaucracy and wholesale slaughter, I'll choose bureaucracy.  Although I sided with House, if the man managed to survive nuclear war I think he has got his shit together. Plus I like blackjack.

I was expecting the Legion to be 'civilisation at any cost' - they will come in, butcher thousands, but life under their is actually an improvement on what your average loser experienced before they arrived (MUCH LIKE THE ROMANS). I didn't get a sense that Legion provided that at all, they just seemed to be conquering areas for the hell of it. I think Raul mentions how safe Arizona was, and Cass mentions how safe Legion caravans are, but you don't get a sense that the Legion have anything to offer. At all.

[Michaelh139]

-Snips

Well, of course you wouldn't notice this considering the very area you play the game is under the Legions assault.  They're not going to have caravans and stuff around in their enemy's own territory are they?  When Romans fought they fought with full force at any cost, thats why it makes sense that you wouldn't see anything good from them as long as they were fighting where you happened to live.