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[Ulrek]

The suggestion is pretty simple.

In real life the grease gun was cheaper to make, but in FOnline it's more costly than the tommy gun.

My suggestion, is to swap the crafting costs. and raise the damage to 5-20 for the tommy, and increase the burst size to 20, and the clip to 80 rounds.

It's not a ground breaking change, but i thought it might add an option for people playing a SG burster with brdx2 that need a cheaper PvP/PvE weapon. since you'll be dishing out alot of bullets with +4 damage.

If no one likes the idea, feel free to move it to junk. ^,.,^

-Ulrek-

[Who Killed Bambi]

tommy gun is one of best weapon that USA make. try watch 30's year movies. cool guys use tommy gun !
give chance for tommy in fonline.

[cannotspace]

Especially with the 3d coming when the tommy won't look like a shotgun but actually look like a cool tommy

[MACtic]

Maybe burst range increase

[Reiniat]

tommy gun is one of best weapon that USA make. try watch 30's year movies. cool guys use tommy gun !
give chance for tommy in fonline.

A story lesson:
The Tommy Guns and the Grease Guns, where the first "popular" automatic weapons in the time betwen the two world wars. They were NOT a good weapons, the mafia use tommy guns because they sound loud, make many damage and are cheap, so his purpose are make fear. And the grease guns were easy to hide.
mafia never go to war, there is just ambushes in those times, shot a lot and run.
after, they were suplanted by MP38 and another german models, also original tommy guns dont come with the classic circular magazine, they come with a normal magazine, gangs put the new magazine.

[Delta77]

A story lesson:
The Tommy Guns and the Grease Guns, where the first "popular" automatic weapons in the time betwen the two world wars. They were NOT a good weapons, the mafia use tommy guns because they sound loud, make many damage and are cheap, so his purpose are make fear. And the grease guns were easy to hide.
mafia never go to war, there is just ambushes in those times, shot a lot and run.
after, they were suplanted by MP38 and another german models, also original tommy guns dont come with the classic circular magazine, they come with a normal magazine, gangs put the new magazine.

the grase gun was cheap, not the tommygun and it was actually a really good weapon, it didnt have the accuracy of the mp40 or the sten, it didnt have the cadence of the ppsh, but it had a good power an acceptable accuracy and it had a good cadence. Obviously the fn fal is much more nerfed since it's bullet can go throught kevlar. I think the tommy gun should shoot more rounds than the grasegun, since the grease gun's cadence was much lower. grase gun = control and accuracy tommy gun = cadence and acceptable recoil.

[Swinglinered]

The FN-Fal is really big and heavy; I wouldn't pick it as an assault rifle.

The pressure column is excellent, so I think it would make a nice sniper rifle (with customization), with burst for close-in backup functionality.

Wasn't there a Soviet rifle like that?
Some AK mod?

[Johnnybravo]

Uh I remmember some Zastava rifles being based on AK, but you seriously suggest more small guns?

[Ulrek]

If you're talking about a soviet SVD sniper rifle.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragunov_sniper_rifle

Than yes, there is a soviet rifle that looks kind of like an AK, but it's not really one as far as design goes.

Also, the wikipedia says the FN FAL is a battle rifle, and not one of the assault carbines you're using to seeing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_FAL

Even if the wikipedia isn't always correct i still agree with the statement, it's a battle rifle from the years after WW2, not a very modern gun.


Also, since i never jumped in on the debate about tommy guns and grease guns, the model of tommy gun shown in game is a pre-army model, and thus has a very high rate of fire, even if it's known to jam at times. the grease gun has always been a US army weapon, and has a lower rate of fire, but was made for about 3 US dollars, when the tommy gun was made for 300 US. the details on the price probably very, so let me know if i am wrong about that.

-Ulrek-

[Johnnybravo]

Was talking about Zastava M76.

Anyway, looking at F2 thompson, it's 1928 model, so it's definetly not a weapon that'd carry to 2077 and further.
However since it uses .45 cal like original did, it's probably not a different weapon with original looks either.

Well to be honest here, both Thompson and 'Grease gun' are probably kind of weapons that should not even match 10mm SMG, or be tuned for NPC usage.

[Michaelh139]

Was talking about Zastava M76.

Anyway, looking at F2 thompson, it's 1928 model, so it's definetly not a weapon that'd carry to 2077 and further.
However since it uses .45 cal like original did, it's probably not a different weapon with original looks either.

Well to be honest here, both Thompson and 'Grease gun' are probably kind of weapons that should not even match 10mm SMG, or be tuned for NPC usage.

True to an extent, america was backward culturally, not in warfare...  grease guns and tommy's prolly wouldn't exist anymore really.  Maybe in a museum.

[Ganado]

I love how this simple suggestion on changing the ammo size/damage turned into a debate about real-life guns vs in-game guns, and every single detail about that... ugh.

[Michaelh139]

I love how this simple suggestion on changing the ammo size/damage turned into a debate about real-life guns vs in-game guns, and every single detail about that... ugh.

Just remember Fallout is based on realistic world just with advanced (weapon) technology and continuous 80s feel to it.

So it makes sense why tommy and grease gun wouldn't exist actually...  Not to mention these were manufactured 200 years a go or so.

[Reiniat]

I love how this simple suggestion on changing the ammo size/damage turned into a debate about real-life guns vs in-game guns, and every single detail about that... ugh.

its like a videogamer canon the fact of know about weapons. IS AWESOME
also all need to know:
1.-A scope is a WEAPON ATACHMENT, of course there are natural snipers, designed for be snipers, and you cant use them without scopes
2.-Every weapon can be atached with a scope, i remember in the Vietnam War the support weapon for snipers was the M1A1 carbine with scope, and in the recent wars most guerrillas use FAL with scopes as snipers, (while there is no Dragunov sniper)
3.-Tought it not good to use automatic guns as snipers because they lose precision, and you dont need a lot of shots, only one. (first FAL was semi-automatics)

It will be very good to have scopes for atach to weapons, but maybe the engine and game system wont let devs make this, tough they can expand the range of the weapons, but this is exploitable

Also im still thinking that tommy and grease guns need to still in 1tier being unpowerful weapons, there was designed to this, most of us culd think that tommys are powerful for all that mafia movies, but no, tommy is shit, cheap and scaring.

About fallout timeline. Why we have P90 and H11?
whatever H11 should be craftable, just little nerfed...

[Michaelh139]

About fallout timeline. Why we have P90 and H11?
whatever H11 should be craftable, just little nerfed...

■The actual P90 Personal Defense Weapons is produced by Fabrique Nationale de Herstal. In the game, this gun is being depicted as having been produced by another real-life gun company, Heckler & Koch. It is also shown as being either 10mm or 9mm, while the real version is chambered for FN's 5.7x28mm ammunition

The Heckler & Koch P90c was just coming into use at the time of the war.

Although G11 IS a gun that shouldn't exist:

■The real-world counterpart for the G11 was developed for the German Bundeswehr, but never entered full production (around 1000 were produced and delivered) because the newly reunified Germany already had stockpiles worthy of two armies (not to mention the great expense involved in bringing the economy of the former East Germany up to West German standards), so the additional costs of continued G11 production weren't justified and the project was dropped.

 I know you said whatever but I just couldn't help myself.