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Stealing out of control ! Tighten the leash...
avv:
--- Quote from: HertogJan on December 09, 2010, 08:14:31 PM ---I must be doing something wrong than.
Recently my thief alt did a lot of trading in Junktown, the only rep increase that alt had was from staying logged out for a day.
No rep increase visible.
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Only certain sold items give +rep. Haven't tested much but ropes are one product that might get you additional rep but only to certain merchants. Sha Enin or Buster used to provide +rep if you sold him ropes. So basically a thief needs to do some crimes, then sell some farmed crap items to a local merchant. In San Fran I raised my rep up to 1000 during one day by just selling ropes to The Western Star shopkeeper.
--- Quote ---Your suggestion about reporting thievery to lawkeepers simply means people steal till there rep is -1500 than move to another town. When there rep is bad everywhere they simply use ~deleteself and start all over again.
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This is the problem of entirely differend matter: that players don't care about their characters.
Besides, if some thief was succesfully driven away from a town via this report system, it'd give at least some free days from his harassment. Maybe he's in another town, but so what? It's their problem.
--- Quote ---Another thing is that it will lead to thieves cooperating and using steal together. You go figure who actually stole something.
Not the mention the none Russians among us will have a problem with the cyrillic names which makes it abuseable.
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You could give any name to the sheriff but if it's incorrect, nothing would happen. If there was 2 players co-operating, the victim would need to write 2 names and check which one was the right one. Just because we got cyrillic names a feature shouldn't be rejected. Cyrillic names could be just globally banned, they cause problems with recognization already.
--- Quote ---It's the players complaining about thievery who give it a bad reputation.
Together with the players, and many aren't thieves, who pretend to use steal on people just to harass them.
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Obviously the ones abusing steal won't call it abuse, griefing or problematic. I bet it's somewhat entertaining to play as a thief and cause a fuzz in safe towns but in the end it's just harassment. That's because the benefits of thievery are rather mild because you can't choose what your victims have. If you want stuff, it'd be better just farm encounters.
Keldorn:
I don't worry about thieving so much as folks using it to fuck with people.
IE: Someone tries to sell items but has to cancel the attempt everytime a thief feels like stealing. If the thief were to do tihis all day, it would force said seller to move to a different city to attempt to sell goods.
Also potentially a tactic to monopolize merchant cap respawns if enough thieves are around. Now is thisconsidered"griefing" or "exploiting"?
5me0:
It has moved on to exploitation now:
http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=11815.0
Surf:
That exploit is as old as the game even is.
HertogJan:
--- Quote from: avv on December 10, 2010, 12:34:09 PM ---This is the problem of entirely differend matter: that players don't care about their characters.
Besides, if some thief was succesfully driven away from a town via this report system, it'd give at least some free days from his harassment. Maybe he's in another town, but so what? It's their problem.
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So you think NCR is okay with thieves moving to another town within their influence?
I doubt it.
Thieves moving to another town is not a solution as most people travel around, at least from time to time.
--- Quote from: avv on December 10, 2010, 12:34:09 PM ---You could give any name to the sheriff but if it's incorrect, nothing would happen. If there was 2 players co-operating, the victim would need to write 2 names and check which one was the right one. Just because we got cyrillic names a feature shouldn't be rejected. Cyrillic names could be just globally banned, they cause problems with recognization already.
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With the way npc operate now, 1 person talking to an npc at a time, this will be open for exploitation. Just keep the guy occupied.
It will also lead to people simply feeding names to the npc over and over again.
Wether or not cyrillic names should be banned, is not something I'm interested in.
They have their good and bad sides, a good side is it's easy to spot and avoid a certain type of players.
--- Quote from: avv on December 10, 2010, 12:34:09 PM ---Obviously the ones abusing steal won't call it abuse, griefing or problematic. I bet it's somewhat entertaining to play as a thief and cause a fuzz in safe towns but in the end it's just harassment. That's because the benefits of thievery are rather mild because you can't choose what your victims have.
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Obviously you don't really know what you're talking about.
I play a thief, stealing mostly from npc and people I tagged red (PK, thieves, taggers, assholes, etc.).
Most people I see using steal on people aren't thieves, with exception of NCR bazar.
They simply use steal on people in order to scare others away from the trader so they don't have to wait.
I encountered several players in the last few hours doing this in both Junktown and the Hub.
IMO that is harassement.
Using the steal skill to steal isn't.
You can't choose what your victim has, but you can choose what you steal and what you don't steal.
I only steal stuff that's worth a few k or stuff me or my faction can use.
I also choose to leave low level players, shit shovelers and people carrying caravan boxes alone.
--- Quote from: avv on December 10, 2010, 12:34:09 PM ---If you want stuff, it'd be better just farm encounters.
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Lets get rid of traders than.
--- Quote from: Keldorn on December 10, 2010, 10:30:20 PM ---I don't worry about thieving so much as folks using it to fuck with people.
IE: Someone tries to sell items but has to cancel the attempt everytime a thief feels like stealing. If the thief were to do tihis all day, it would force said seller to move to a different city to attempt to sell goods.
Also potentially a tactic to monopolize merchant cap respawns if enough thieves are around. Now is thisconsidered"griefing" or "exploiting"?
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That's exactly what I have been saying.
Some people abuse the steal/FA/etc. animation to pretend to be stealing.
You don't have to be a thief to do so.
Use lockpick, repair, etc. on someone to get the same animation.
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