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[Kilgore]

I always been suspicious about the population, sometimes I think it is actually an illusion just to keep the few existing players in game.

Yep it looks sometimes like that, so some time ago I asked a GM for a piece of data which can be analysed. It was an evening with 167 characters online. No idea how many of them were out of the game, jovanka says it's about 10%, so let's assume there were about 150 players in game.

My little research indicates that out of these 167 characters online:
- 83 were not signed in any faction,
- 12 were signed in BBS+COA,
- 11 were signed in Hawks,
- 71 were in other factions.

Locations:
- 16 characters were in NCR,
- 13 characters (mostly BBS+COA) were in what looks like a TC town
- 10 characters (mostly Hawks) were in what looks like another TC town
- 4 characters in another public location (Hub or VC?)
- 10 characters in different public locations,
- 29 characters on worldmap
- 85 characters in generated locations (might be a tent, a base, or an encounter)

Conclusions:
- 10% are NCR idlers,
- less than 20% are active TC/PvP factions,
- the whole rest - casuals who only craft and go on PvE hunting

So, there is absolutely no reason to make a conspiracy theory.

[Nice_Boat]

- the whole rest - casuals who only craft and go on PvE hunting

I was surprised when I learned that a few days ago. All I've got to say is that the possibility of spending the last 2 years playing this game without being aware of 70% of the server population (I'm not talking interaction, they're like the Loch Ness monster for other players) is just fucked up. It's like every player was sealed in his own tent/encounter/cave bubble, which is so bad from a design standpoint it's not even funny. I'm just utterly amazed that public mines didn't mitigate this problem... but then again when you see a miner, all you think about is "whose alt is that?" Jesus Christ.

[vedaras]

i dont try to avoid fight neither if its vs single player or vs gang, still better than standing and doing nothing so i dont need that sneaker

[JovankaB]

No idea how many of them were out of the game, jovanka says it's about 10%

If you mean alts, a bit more, sometimes it is 10% but usually it's 15-20%.

I don't have real stats, but I have a command which among other things checks percentage
of IPs to characters online.  After idler I had records ranging from 75% up to 95%, but usually
it's 80%-85%. Before idler it was more around 75% on average, although I wasn't checking it
too often back then, because we didn't have a command for this and I had to count it manually.

Proxies might skew this a bit, but I think they make sense mostly in TC and I didn't notice much
difference during mornings for example, so it might suggest they aren't really used as much as
some people think. Also there are some players who play from the same IP, so it could even out.

Offline characters I never really counted, they are a large part of the "alts" though (relogs).

[DocAN.]

"whose alt is that?"

That is another reason why i made the One Alt Crusade.
Upgrading the game with features from my suggestion can solve the problem which was mentioned above.

[JovankaB]

Here is 6 hour stream from what seems to be casual newbies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPtsRn4kFE0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S67pZ2einUY

Just a few minutes might give some of you some perspective.

Yes, people like this play less and tend to come and go, but overall they
are still a significant part of the server. I think there might be more casuals
than pros, but pros play a lot more often and they are more visible, so on
the server at any given time it may appear like there is only same old PvP
apes playing. You may think their presence lacks any meaning, I think that
as long as they have fun playing, it doesn't.

I think the game for such people gets boring when they reach 24 level though.

They know very little about game, and have a lot of false informations (like
"you can pick people up, I just don't know how" - not about FA). The information
on the Wiki like quests etc is VERY helpful for them, they seem to check it
very often. So thanks a lot to all Wiki editors

It also shows some bad things in the game and interface, they struggle with
things that seem to be "obvious" for long time players and those who played
Fallouts, for example they have no idea about town/world button (no wonder,
most of the time it does nothing, the name is confusing and the placement of
the button is unfortunate, I think it would be better if the button would pop out
directly over town with preview, sadly there is a lot of "hardcoded stuff" in the
world map).

[DeputyDope]

And you, how often you do that? Weren't you one of those NCR permanent inhabitants with plasma grenade slaves on world map to stomp on noobs?

Weren't you one of those temporary NCR inhabitants that got stomped by plasma grenade slaves?

[T-888]

Lack of proper activities, what can I say. Players have so little encouragement to go and do something, anything which would bring the small community together. I'm still amazed the 20% of faction players, sometimes I guess that percent is even more, is still digesting the same old town control for years.

[Roachor]

at any given time I am 97% of the server population

[Tomowolf]

Lack of proper activities, what can I say. Players have so little encouragement to go and do something, anything which would bring the small community together. I'm still amazed the 20% of faction players, sometimes I guess that percent is even more, is still digesting the same old town control for years.

T-888 You need to realize one thing : Most of the people have no clue how to do things at some efficiency to be able to join up in pvp, then if they have, they got not enough time, and you've left here with some oldschool boys, who are here like old trees with their roots and everytime - every wipe they know what to do to join it.
Just ask around newbies why they don't do PVP - lack of stuff, lack of proper alts, lack of time.
Game's( I mean game as the main aspect - the PVP Town Control) too hard for any player that isn't here for long enough or adapted to it's retarded mechanics.

Meh, let's type a wall of text.
Classic newbie, just for let's say - rocketer build would need what?
- Drugs (without some money - can't be, crafting drugs is still broken and got down symptoms)
- Armors (Need alts to craft ma mk2 or farmer to kill NCR Army)
- Rockets and Weapons (kill unity, farmer alt)

[manero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S67pZ2einUY

0:00:10 - 0:00:40...

O M G

I can imagine me spawning in front of them with avanger and bloodlust in my eyes.

[JovankaB]

0:00:10 - 0:00:40...

O M G

Don't tell me you never spun ;P Everyone did.

[Mrockatansky]

Don't tell me you watched it from end to end Jovanka. I doubt anybody is able to do that.

[JovankaB]

Don't tell me you watched it from end to end Jovanka. I doubt anybody is able to do that.

Of course I watched it, it's a very rare gem - video from complete noobs. Not very carefully,
but I had it playing and when they seemed to have some problem I was checking it out

[BenKain]

So thanks a lot to all Wiki editors

Thanks Jov, we have been striving to keep the misinformation to a minimum.

Lack of proper activities, what can I say.

Lack? Of Proper?! Activities!?!?!? Have you played the actual game? I'm not talking about you going out to farm some gatling lasers than going to Reno, no I'm talking about the quests and other systems. There are a lot of really interesting features that you are demonizing for no reason, and you continue to attack people who enjoy the game for casual purposes. Not all of us fully understand the methods to the Town Control madness, and people like you are the ones making it impossible to do so. Please stop trying to force your foolish one-track mind on the rest of the community. It's becoming extremely grating.