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[Roachor]

It's pretty much a pvp only game, any mmo's that doesn't have pve instances can't really be anything else. Usually mmos have a long grind to max level to teach players how the game works in time consuming baby steps because A)It's profitable and B) Players are usually slow to grasp basic game mechanics. Take wow for example, pretty much the most simplistic combat system you could have yet tons of people suck at it. You make a build, hit auto attack and spam the same buttons in sequence for pretty much every fight. Since the only questing is low level and high level equipment can be equipped by lvl 1 chars there really isn't much to do other than pvp, and pvp is only really fair at max level.

[Attero]

@ISn2  totaly agree :

wanna reming that it must be this way, Fallout doesnt have engine to allow progresive gear - there are virtaully jsut two pices of equipment - armor and gun ...

IF we would want progresive gear ...well basicly whole SPECIAL would need to be trashed and use some syster similar to other MMOs where gear can progress - i dont think we could call the result a fallout


as to prevent Alting i think there are two ways ... one is carrot the other is whip..
Carrot is to allow respecs - some CD and cost assosiated but now at top of cloning you can request a creation of geneticly modified clone and then have your memory moved to it....

the whip would be to add account activation system , possibly small pay when making it. Account assosiated to IP or to IP range - for accounts made from same IP group a check similar to current anti- dual log check to be done (request for the players to log simulteniously)

[Lexx]

It's pretty much a pvp only game, any mmo's that doesn't have pve instances can't really be anything else.

FOnline: 2238 is using instanced maps / zones as well.

[Roachor]

FOnline: 2238 is using instanced maps / zones as well.

I wouldn't say you're really using them. There aren't any dungeons or group pve areas, even if there were the only benefits are xp and gear which are both found everywhere. There's no incentive to do anything but pvp in groups.

[Hololasima]

Off topic : Jovanka is GM so she MUST be more smart than others players right ? I really want know names of your PvP alts.

I understand that people who have enough time to spend in NCR or base and they have nothing to do all day, like 2238 Fonline as we have now.
BUT everyone dont have too enough time like them. We just want FUN from this game. Fun for our HARD job. Rewards !!!
Now we dont have nothing what we want. Only "NCR" players have what they want.

[Sage]

i like hard games... i enjoy it...player must in first place make some stuffs (easy=with pks i glad) with HARD i mean ... light death...all stuffs drop( this i like a lot )....and.....hm...simply great

[Wichura]

I understand that people who have enough time to spend in NCR or base and they have nothing to do all day, like 2238 Fonline as we have now.
BUT everyone dont have too enough time like them. We just want FUN from this game. Fun for our HARD job. Rewards !!!
Now we dont have nothing what we want. Only "NCR" players have what they want.

You are boring with this strange "NCR-player" obsession. Some of these guys made you hurt or cry or what?
Keep repeating "we want PvP & fun and these NCR assholes just stay in NCR because they are staying in NCR and being assholes", I guess you haven't been heard on Mars yet. Geez man, I'm beginning to understand why is all this whine about, why PvP-chars are useless below 21-lvl, but in this thread there is no page without your brilliant sentence about "fun-PvP" and "stay-at-NCR" comparison. Focus or stop, please.

[Sephiroth-sama]

Restricting IP and reviewing logs from time to time (to see frequent trades between two characters without chatting, or something like that) would be the only solution, but it would bring some problems, since sometimes you're just testing characters, not doing alts at all, and IP can be bypassed through proxy. Also, identity is impossible, because there ae worldwide people here.

[Wichura]

(to see frequent trades between two characters without chatting, or something like that)

What if two different players chatting about trade via IRC or Teamspeak, for example?

If alt-forbidding be so simple, it would be done long time ago. But I know even less about alts than PvP, so I better keep shut in that matter :>

[Sephiroth-sama]

What if two different players chatting about trade via IRC or Teamspeak, for example?

If alt-forbidding be so simple, it would be done long time ago. But I know even less about alts than PvP, so I better keep shut in that matter :>

Not at all. I don't think devs have anything against alts, so they just don't care. There are some systems so you cannot create more than 1 character (using folder files or windows registry, still bypassable, but hardly more than 10% of the players would bypass it), but as I said, they don't care if you have 10 or more alts.

[ISn2]

Even if they dont care about alts, they should care about fast relogs...

[Hololasima]

You are boring with this strange "NCR-player" obsession. Some of these guys made you hurt or cry or what?
Keep repeating "we want PvP & fun and these NCR assholes just stay in NCR because they are staying in NCR and being assholes", I guess you haven't been heard on Mars yet. Geez man, I'm beginning to understand why is all this whine about, why PvP-chars are useless below 21-lvl, but in this thread there is no page without your brilliant sentence about "fun-PvP" and "stay-at-NCR" comparison. Focus or stop, please.

This kind of players have really many many time to spend somewehere to craft and mining. They dont like fight with each others, i dont know why. They like only mining in mine, craft, kill rats and brahmins and thats all. Yes i understand, now they must love this game.
But everyone not same, i dont have too many time like them to play ? Why i must be in disvantage beacuse i dont have time like them ? Tell me where is my fun or reward from my two days crafting ? Lost items in encouter when i EXPing beacuse i cant heal myself ? I understand that you must relly enjoy game as we have right now.

[Surf]

So the only reason you "can't have fun from pvp" anymore is the FA change, maybe the crafting time/ outcome for rockets? Are you serious? People remove ways of cheating xp fast and you comlain?

[Swinglinered]

Maybe he would like if there were an area like a permanent GM event where nothing can be removed.

Then people could endlessly PvP/etc. with whatever gear they want, maybe even have "easter eggs" that give XP when used.

That way all builds and item combos can be experimented with.

It all stays in PvP Arena area.

As long as it is insulated from the rest of the game, why not?

[Surf]

Sounds like a good idea.