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[Dumb dumb]

Hello everyone.
Before all, I have to tell you a little story, that happened a few hours ago.

I was waiting for someone in area 38:14, just before the entrance of a cave, holding a tommygun, a few ammos, a radio and a leather jacket -Useless equipment as I was here to die-. Some characters spawns before me, and go away, the first time I yelled "lower your weapon and go away", as it was always the same characters going in and out, I did not repeat the call. Then JovankaB appears, says Hi, and rushes into the cave, and three characters are in the map with me, all unknown for me. Quite surprised to see a GM outdoor without me doing spamming a +requesthelp, I decide to follow Jovankab and ask what is going on. The three others enter the cave as well, and I learn that I am accused of cheating, exploiting a bug called "TB cave trap", bug that I didn't know about. I tell Jovankab that the game is RT, and as evidence, she asks us to shoot her, turns out that the game really was in real time. After that, I'm simply killed.

What is the problem ? Yes, I went here to die, so far there's no problem. But first, I've been wrongfully accused of cheating, and I'm killed out of the game, because of the presence of a GM and explainations, it seems, to me at least, that this "battle where I shot no one while I could've" or you can call it "Shoot me because I stand before a cave", was broken as soon as we began talking with Jovankab, in fact, if I had been killed directly while talking to her, I would not have paid attention to it -another death on my account-, here I was killed during an obvious "cease fire" and pourparler since I was accused of cheating, before a GM, no less.

By now everyone understood what I suggest: That the players are actually ENFORCED to follow the game's rules, and the GM allowed to fully interfere, because by their mere presence, they already interfered with this battle (not its ending though, since I would've been killed anyway).

And yes, I'm not posting this in Suggestions, since I am more complaining than suggesting.

[Killy]

dude i remember her spying on me and my teammates, using gm;s sneak mode to check our containers and workbenches, "some" people really shouldnt have been mods gms and admins. U stand in ur cave and ouf of the blue someone is opening boxes, no life? :]

[Dumb dumb]

I do not mind GMs checking characters stuff, in fact I even encourrage it. Here Jovankab did nothing wrong, she even apologized while she did nothing wrong. The only apologies I might accept are from the three guys who killed me, and even if I roleplay, here I would be asking for the players apologies, not their characters since it was totally out of the game.

By what you are saying, I guess you are against seeing the GMs able to use their powers at will.

[Michaelh139]

By what you are saying, I guess you are against seeing the GMs able to use their powers at will.

Some amount of control should be enforced.

But it always appears  such a thing doesn't exist, whenever GM truly misuses his/her abilities, there is no apparent reparation, or at least an apology to the offended party.  Besides in this case ironically, where the GM apologized even though it was not her fault for the specific event that occurred.    (javonka has always been one of the better GMs.)

Though I don't see a GM going through a base a problem, if for the right reason(s). However, I can certainly see why someone would be angry about it.

How you would feel, if you saw me suddenly in your base and going through all of your shit?  Or your tent?  No need to answer, because you would feel a little bit angry/frustrated at least, no matter what, especially if you couldn't kill me.

[Killy]

wow, not really, the thing is I just remembered her doing it, simple as that, I dont pay for the game and tbh im not gonna play fo2238 unless major bugs are fixed, also I dont like the way it became, if u are looking for a part time job, here it is play fO ;] dig craft and lose it all, repeat the process

[Dumb dumb]

If it was within the game, I would only complain once; If it's out of the game, I will complain much more.
I invited thieves in my tent, knowing that they will steal item, they did (EMP Grenades mostly), I only noted the char name on my must kill list.

If our tents could be entered when someone is on its exact location, I wouldn't complain either -as I could do the same-.
I am aware that I can be killed anytime, anywhere, and I'm always expecting this, but for some reason (lets say, people accusing me to cheat, gm spawning, trial in progress), I did not expected to be killed, not at all, and instead of being nicely surprised (as when a trusted friends kills you and rapes your tent), I only have the taste of blood in my mouth.
The worst in that, it's since I wasn't expecting a swift and painfull death and was rather surprised something like that could happen, I did not noted the names -nor even paid attention to their names, I was already shocked by being accused of cheating, it happened to me twice in my entire life, this time, and the first hour I tried Ace of Spades (accused of being an aimbot, and the entire enemy team voted yes while I only killed one person.)-.

[Killy]

oh u are truly a fo player, real masochist 


What would have happened if u had TB mode turned on ? dear god, without knowin the bug ur acc would have been banned for 9999999999 hours 

[Dumb dumb]

I don't think so, in fact I'm becoming really tired of this game, and this little event might be the cherry on the cake. There are GMs, but they aren't actually game masters, they are supervisors, they don't master anything since they can not get involved. The only sensible choice is to join a player-driven faction, I was hoping NPC factions would be driven by GMs, but no, they are not allowed to do so, I hoped for events that could really damage the world (like me killing President Tandi), but no, even the GM made events happens in copied places.

PS: Sorry i didn't saw your edit at the time I wrote.
Yes, I can not imagine what would've happened if I actually had an encounter and activated TB mode (oh, another evidence I wasn't cheating: no corpses on map, it was obvious TB could not be active since it wasn't an encounter for me, it was an encounter for them)

PPS: Even stronger evidence, they got out and entered the map like 3 times, THEY KNEW TB WAS OFF.

[Slaver Snipe]

GM's are here to stop exploiting/help players events are just a cherry on top.  Your idea of what a GM should be is off.  They also only know TB is off if you or they shoot each other and if that did not happen during the entering the map "like 3 times" they would not know.

[JovankaB]

Eh. Please read the following log carefully before you say something in this thread.
Good that I still have a habit to save logs.



(I'm somewhere else, then I get empty +requesthelp message)

19:55:58 • GM help requested: the character Фермер(5958)(0) has requested help. Message:
19:55:58 •
19:56:15 • Going to...
19:56:16 • 1 players teleported to Фермер (2762721)

(I go there, 3 people standing in centre of random encounter and Paganis near cave entrance, so I desneak to ask what's going on. I didn't expect it would be exploit accusation, otherwise I would stay in sneak and observe.)

19:56:24 • Фермер: hello dear
19:56:26 • JovankaB: hello
19:56:28 • Фермер: this man
19:56:33 • Фермер: Use trap in caves
19:56:37 • Фермер: with BUG of TB
19:56:40 • Фермер: really
19:56:44 • JovankaB: what
19:56:49 • Фермер: shit
19:56:50 • JovankaB: who
19:56:54 • Фермер: PAGANIS
19:57:11 • JovankaB: hello
19:57:33 • Paganis: JOVANKA

(Outside combat is not enabled so I go inside into cave to check what's there, Paganis follows me and 3 guys a moment later)

19:57:40 • Paganis: what are you doing here ?
19:57:53 • JovankaB: I came to warn you
19:58:01 • JovankaB: dont abuse TB bugs in caves

(The yellow part, the words I said, is the only part I apologied for, because I shouldn't assume right away what the 3 players said was truth)

19:58:08 • Paganis: what ?
19:58:27 • JovankaB: they said you use trap in cave with bug
19:58:29 • Paganis: Im waiting here for someone, this is a RT battle
19:58:41 • Paganis: not a TB one
19:58:42 • JovankaB: uhuh
19:58:47 • Фермер: lie
19:58:52 • JovankaB: easy to check
19:58:53 • JovankaB: shoot me
19:58:53 • Paganis: what a proof ?
19:58:57 • Фермер: he have too mUch characters banned
19:58:57 • You were critically hit for 45 hit points.
19:58:58 • You were hit for 6 hit points.
19:58:59 • Фермер: by voland
19:58:59 • You were critically hit in the eyes for no damage.
19:58:59 • You were hit for 12 hit points.
19:59:04 • Paganis: so ?
19:59:08 • JovankaB: not TB
19:59:17 • Фермер: idk
19:59:20 • Paganis: And i didnt even know about that bug
19:59:21 • Фермер: wtf is going on
19:59:32 • JovankaB: well I didnt switch to RT
19:59:35 • JovankaB: and he can't
19:59:37 • Фермер: sorry dear i will ask U in TB in next time
19:59:44 • Bonhead: )
19:59:45 • Фермер: when he will
19:59:47 • JovankaB: maybe it was other location?
19:59:52 • Фермер: with cave
19:59:58 • JovankaB: uhu
19:59:59 • JovankaB: ok
20:00:00 • JovankaB: bye
20:00:02 • Bonhead: bb

(I go into sneak and are going to leave, they kill him immediately when they see me go away [I'm still standing there though] )

20:00:03 • Paganis was hit in the eyes for 50 hit points.
20:00:04 • Фермер: in outside
20:00:04 • Paganis was critically hit in the head for 65 hit points and knocked down.

(I get +requesthelp from upset Paganis / Dumb dumb after he respawns, I go to him)

20:01:10 • GM help requested: the character Paganis(14848)(2762722) has requested help. Message:
20:01:10 • Jovankab, is it normal that they killed me once they checked it was not TB ?
20:01:25 • Going to...

dude i remember her spying on me and my teammates, using gm;s sneak mode to check our containers and workbenches, "some" people really shouldnt have been mods gms and admins. U stand in ur cave and ouf of the blue someone is opening boxes, no life? :]

If I were in your base 2 years ago there had to be a reason, for example I saw something suspicious on monitor.
Contrary to popular belief I have better things to do than observe some random boring dude inside his cave.

Also, GMs can browse containers without opening them so I don't get how would you ever know.
Sounds more like sneaker friend doing pranks and/or a paranoia of someone who has something to hide

[Ymeogamaouas]

So in effect he is right?

They asked for you to come check it out.

You came. Checked it and saw he wasnt doing anything wrong and at that moment in time they killed him having basically "lured" him into this situation with the pretense of GM needs to check you out?

[GroeneAppel]

Alright, so what we see is not the GM being at fault, but the players. Problem is, there aren't any rules set in stone about this. So it's hard to acuse somoene in such a situation anyway. I'd say it's simply a very low move of those 3 guys who shot him.

[Kilgore]

Yes yes jovanka all that comes from player's paranoia because they have something to hide 
Here, my favourite, yet from previous "jovanka GMing session" in 2010: my fresh new char goes from to a base and has a Special Encounter with Slavers. Jovanka I didn't knew you was into slaving much.



Oh yeah my character must have been thirsty and dreaming about meeting jovanka in the wastes, or it must have been my "JovankaB" buddy's sneaker making pranks in front of me.

Well I don't know how frequently she forgets about turning uber-sneak on but I bet she likes a bit of spying on ;]

another time in SF, QLang noticing jovanka spawning in front of me.. well I told him that getting high on jet in New Reno wasn't the best option, but he didn't listen :/


from Kilgore with Love <3 <3 <3


ps. still, if you ask me, Jovanka is probably the second most helpful GM ever (first being Nexxos). she did a mistake, but you probably didn't lose much. if it was gorlak, he would ban you without excuses, rofl.

[Wipe]

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