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http://www.nitue.net/#fcp/direct!id=9106 (http://www.nitue.net/#fcp/direct!id=9106)
how might this be improved?
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i cant see the build, just the FCP menu.
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Fixed.
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It looks good to me. Good job. Question: did you plan to use Jet? Psycho? (beer?)
I just did a gatling user build and i went a different direction, planning to use Psycho and beer for max DR. I gave my guy high PE to compensate but he still has Sight 41 after drugs. Strength 1 with Weapon Handling, but effective ST 6 on drugs. He's not a crit guy though. He's fast with 12 AP and BRoF. Yes to SnP. Had to use a perk on Carry Weight. He ends with low hit points, high DR. Whereas yours ends with lower DR but higher hp.
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Perhaps I should have made the build capable of two bursts per turn so as to get the most out of my high crit chance. I don't plan on using any drugs.
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What about STR requirment for Gatling? 7-3=4=80% punishment for not having enough strenght.
Why Fast Shoot? Doesn`t it add just 5 damage?(not per point but per burst.)
Why spray and pray? Wasn`t that just weak perk?
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What about STR requirment for Gatling? 7-3=4=80% punishment for not having enough strenght.
I've compensated for that with Energy Weapons skill.
Why Fast Shoot? Doesn`t it add just 5 damage?(not per point but per burst.)
It's not really necessary, but I had no reason not to choose it, so I might as well get the extra 5 damage.
Why spray and pray? Wasn`t that just weak perk?
So I can get more crits.
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Oh yeah i missed that: Fast Shot is no good for bursting weapons. Good catch, xsarq.
I assumed you'd use Buffout and Nuka Cola. This does look like a Buffout build to me so you don't have that ST deficit and CtH deduction. With a -80% Chance to Hit, your 200 gun skill is rendered a mere 120. Remember that there is also a CtH penalty based on distance from target, so you could easily get your CtH down under 95% shooting at longer ranges. I recommend using Buffout and Nuka Cola to avoid this problem (and boost CW a bit too).
Also, use cigs man! Cigs are the easiest drug to get in large quantities for even a solo player with no help. You get that +1 to PE which would boost your Sight over 40, the gat's max range.
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No BROF? You will shoot once a week. And no doctor, so get cripple and say goodbye, no matter your hp...
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If It's crit burster thread, gotta ask: what's better, to have another brd or better crits?
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Can't take 2x BRD on energy build, so no dillema :P I'd take both Better Crit and MRD probably.
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If It's crit burster thread, gotta ask: what's better, to have another brd or better crits?
In gatling bursters neither, in bg bursters id go with extra brd if you have only one
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BRD?? Gatling laser?? Its just 10 bullets per burst if im not wrong...and laser damage sucks without armor bypass, if you want BRD get avenger built
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No BROF? You will shoot once a week. And no doctor, so get cripple and say goodbye, no matter your hp...
Taking BROF wouldn't give me another burst unless I also took two levels of action boy.
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Taking BROF wouldn't give me another burst unless I also took two levels of action boy.
Drugs, kids love drugs.
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Don't want to lower my damage resistance.
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But you would shoot faster, 7 Ap, that lets you 3 ap and you have to wait for 4 AP to regenerate. With Brof, 6 AP, thats 4 AP left and you only need another 2 to shoot. Maybe its better to take something else but i think this is useful. And if you want criticals you need to shoot a lot (you will need to shoot 4 times before you score a critical, more or less)
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True. I will rebuild the character later.
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Physco is your friend if you want damage resistance
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With those drugs: jet, psycho, buffout, nukacola, cigarettes, you get +2AP, which means 4 SPECIAL points. No disadvantages.
You can create a 2 shot critical build or a tank... 4 SPECIALs are a lot.
Here something I made quickly:
(http://s11.postimg.org/gomagw9nn/gatling.png)
I'm sure it's possible to tune it up somehow, like getting a bigger critical chance through resigning from Weapon Handling and stuff... But that requires some maths = thinking + time, I don't have those currently :P
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Thanks a lot, man. I'll definitely use something like this when I rebuild.
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I would instead go for 20% crit chance, 15% is too low.
Get EN to 8, don't take Better crits, take one more lifegiver, give those two points more to ST.
Kaboom, you got 258 hp 20% critchance focker.
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Better criticals is a must have. You will need armor bypass if you want to kill enemies.
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I wouldn't abandon Better Criticals, especially when you've got Spray and Pray which ignores armour critical modifiers(overpowered, by the way).
I'd use the fact that even when lacking strenght you have enough hit chance... Lets see.
I'm assuming we're shooting a target with a good armor = no AC.
We don't take Weapon Handling - More Criticals instead. 38 hexes is our max range because of 6 PE after drugs(would be gatling's 40 but 2 hexes is not that much).
with 206% EW(I assume at least 100% doc) we have 78% chance to hit at 38 hexes. 34 hexes is 94%.
I'm not sure if it's enough actually, but we could risk.
Aaaanyway, 5% crit chance is a very small difference :p Think about this: there's actually only 5% chance it's gonna make a difference(with 15% we roll 0-14 to crit, 15-99 no crit; with 20% we roll 0-19 to crit, 20-99 no crit; so the difference part is 15-19). It's just like the chance that you miss a target with 95% tohit :p
There's yet another way to deal with the problem: lower your luck by 1, put it into strenght. You gain 4% critical chance(yay), so it's 19% now. Also you've got 95% tohit. But I heard luck is important in defensive manner, so there's another dillema we have...(4 luck against 5 luck seems a very small difference though)
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MRD on a gatling build? That's bad, Bonus Ranged Damage is worth only with avenger builds. And since your build has to be a critical one, it's based on critical chance/damage, not on normal damage.
FCP isn't working for me at the moment. But I managed to do this anyway:
Traits: Small Frame - Bonehead
S.P.E.C.I.A.L.: 06 - 08 - 08 - 01 - 02 - 10 - 05 (those are stats with Bonehead and Small Frame taken)
PERKS: Quick Recovery - Even More Critical - Spray and Pray - Even tougher - Lifegiver - Lifegiver+ - BROF - Lifegiver++
Full drugged of course. Cigs+Nuka+Jet+Psycho+Buff
This one works perfectly.
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Oh boy, but you didn't take Better Criticals and you've got 15% crit chance, this is even worse ;)
Firstly, MRD is 3 extra damage applied to every bullet. We've got 10 of them in Gatling's burst. Now multiply this damage with a critical effect ;d
Secondly, IMO Even Tougher is not such a good perk - it only applies to normal damage. If I wanted to make a tank build though, I'd make one, go full tank with toughnesses and psycho(no jet)...
Assuming we don't have to take MRD, it's easy :P
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Better Criticals? What for? This isn't a sniper. When you make a critical burst with Gatling, your target is dead in 8 cases out of 10, even without Better Critical. And if you don't want to take Even Tougher, take Adr. Rush instead.
Actually, I don't know what kind of build MrWillsauce was looking for. We have to discern Gatling Crit from Gatling Tank. The first one was meant to deal as much damage as possible, the second one to last as much as possible in battle. There isn't a good 'hybrid' between those, so he has to pick one.
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I have Better crit and spray&pray and i dont kill in 8 cases out of 10...so your builds must be awesome
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Oh boy, but you didn't take Better Criticals and you've got 15% crit chance, this is even worse ;)
Firstly, MRD is 3 extra damage applied to every bullet. We've got 10 of them in Gatling's burst. Now multiply this damage with a critical effect ;d
Secondly, IMO Even Tougher is not such a good perk - it only applies to normal damage. If I wanted to make a tank build though, I'd make one, go full tank with toughnesses and psycho(no jet)...
Assuming we don't have to take MRD, it's easy :P
Omg what else im gona see in this forum.Mrd doesnt aply on on gatling.do u know y?no 1 told u here?from 10 bulets eatch burst 4 max hit the target.what does it mean?4 x 3=12 dmg more.its shit.pick other perk
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from 10 bulets eatch burst 4 max hit the target.what does it mean?4 x 3=12 dmg more.its shit.pick other perk
So it does or doesn't apply? First you say it doesn't, then you prove it does. Good job.
Also when you burst at point blank every bullet hits.
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i mean it doesn't apply (no good)for this kind of build.gatling build.as for 1 hexing i don't think u will do many of those.and even if u do its 30 dmg more.with 1 hexing ull probably kill the opponent without that perk unless he or she wears tesla or metal mk2.
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I'll admit the effect is much, much better when shooting with Avenger since it has 40 bullets against Gatling's 10... So yeah, you're probably right.
Well, MRD seemed like a good choice, I guess you can just take another lifegiver instead.
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I'll admit the effect is much, much better when shooting with Avenger since it has 40 bullets against Gatling's 10...
It used to be 40, now it's 30 bullets.
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I have Better crit and spray&pray and i dont kill in 8 cases out of 10...so your builds must be awesome
How much LK do you have?
Omg what else im gona see in this forum.Mrd doesnt aply on on gatling.do u know y?no 1 told u here?from 10 bulets eatch burst 4 max hit the target.what does it mean?4 x 3=12 dmg more.its shit.pick other perk
Thank you, I couldn't explain it better to Floodnik.
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I have 6 and 10 luck with Better criticals, and without armor bypass i dont usually kill people with 250+ hp
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How much LK do you have?
Thank you, I couldn't explain it better to Floodnik.
LK has nothing on the shooter, but on the target, so it's pure random.
I would prefer tkaing 5 lk, and going up for 20% crit chance WITH better crits, insted oany brd, and having 240-250 hps, that's quite enough, and your crit will pwn any enemy, even without bypass.
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So... with 10 luck do you deliver the same criticals (damage, cripple, knock out...) than another built with 1 luck?? I though both sides, attacker and defender, were important
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So... with 10 luck do you deliver the same criticals (damage, cripple, knock out...) than another built with 1 luck?? I though both sides, attacker and defender, were important
For bursters luck doesn't matter, beacuse there is no aimed shot, it affects only kds for bursters, and that's not so much important than more dmg.
For sniper luck 8 - 10 is must be.
If you do it with 1 luck, you'll have max 16% crit chance, and you'll be easy target for enemy snipers and for a bypass from burster etc.
I recommend taking 5 luck at BG critburster, going for 20% critchance, and no BRD at all, but better crits, or MRD and full hps.
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I know about how luck affects crit chance, i was asking about how good is the critical hit when you have low-high. 10 luck used to improve the chances of instakill, knock out, cripple, armor bypass, etc...
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I know about how luck affects crit chance, i was asking about how good is the critical hit when you have low-high. 10 luck used to improve the chances of instakill, knock out, cripple, armor bypass, etc...
armor bypass only depends on TARGET luck, not on shooter's luck.
EDit: Of course also it depends on the target's armor condition, but that's why everyone uses 60%+ conditioned armor.
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Don't be so sure. We don't know the critical tables so we don't know if there are any luck rolls on the attacker(besides critical chance of course).
e: That's what I'd go with after your opinions:
(http://s16.postimg.org/6m07ffllx/gatling.png)
(you can instead of outdoors put some more points into energy)
Eh, reminds me a bit of those old builds where you had to take 6 luck to take certain perks... ;)
e2: Target's armor condition only affects so called partial bypasses that don't have anything to do with critical bypasses(besides the name).
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LK has nothing on the shooter, but on the target, so it's pure random.
I would prefer tkaing 5 lk, and going up for 20% crit chance WITH better crits, insted oany brd, and having 240-250 hps, that's quite enough, and your crit will pwn any enemy, even without bypass.
im not so sure that any simple crit can pwn a 250+ pvp ape without bypass.burst crits are not what used to be at the start of this season.
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im not so sure that any simple crit can pwn a 250+ pvp ape without bypass.burst crits are not what used to be at the start of this season.
I had 5 lk and perk man of steel, and guy did on me 190 - 210 dmg w/o bypass, he said he didnt have better crits, so with this perk you could easily do 250~~ dmg, and by this killing one dude in one turn, even if got only 1 cirt strike, and enemy didnt stim himself.