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Title: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: LostSoul on January 09, 2013, 11:14:36 pm
This makes total sense since I would think in 2 and a half years of playing anyone would find a special encounter.

Thankyou Alvarez for saving me the time of looking for these damn cop cars and fire trucks.


Sneaky Developers... that's a really lame ruse to keep the random people playing. I'm sad.
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Wire seemed confused: Translation:

-Devs say Random Encounter is random.
-GMs say luck and PE play no part....
-Player suggests special encounters are handed out.
    This makes sense if the first two are true.
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs
Post by: brad smalls on January 09, 2013, 11:18:18 pm
Lol nope, they are not common i found one not that hard




lock this noob rage post
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs
Post by: LostSoul on January 09, 2013, 11:45:58 pm
Quote from: brad smalls on January 09, 2013, 11:18:18 pm
Lol nope, they are not common i found one not that hard




lock this noob rage post

Noob rage? It just would seem to make sense... Devs like to say that luck plays no part in finding them... So you'd think regardless of builds, over 2.5 years of wandering the wasteland anyone would find at LEAST SOMETHING.

So I conclude either Alvarez's suggestion was correct, or Devs are full of shit and Luck and Percep do indeed play a part?
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs
Post by: JovankaB on January 10, 2013, 12:02:49 am
Yeah, makes sense.

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Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs
Post by: Wire on January 10, 2013, 12:03:29 am
If it's about Luck and Pe playing part in finding random encounters, the title is misleading.
If it's not about Luck and Pe then LostSoul haven't managed to make much sense.

Please fix this or get fixed.
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: Reconite on January 10, 2013, 01:12:06 am
Special encounters are location-based, to my knowledge. Which is why not every player has found one in the huge time they have been playing. It could depend on how often you cross a certain zone whether you find it or not, said zones are probably usually out of the way of the usual routes between places.

It's a pretty awful system because if one person in a faction finds the zone/zones a special encounter can be found on, they can just farm the crap out of it with alts until they are kitted out so well that nobody can take them out (the Gauss Pistol encounter is a very good example of this). Unless an opposing faction also has access to the knowledge of which zone a special encounter is on, so they can farm it too.

The system really only exists like this to further inconvenience players who play on their own rather than with a group.
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: JovankaB on January 10, 2013, 01:46:35 am
Quote from: Reconite on January 10, 2013, 01:12:06 am
Special encounters are location-based, to my knowledge (...) It's a pretty awful system because if one person in a faction finds the zone/zones a special encounter can be found on, they can just farm the crap out of it with alts

This was changed about half a year ago. There is smaller chance to find them, but you can get them in various places.
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: Mayck on January 10, 2013, 02:08:22 am
I've played this game since start of open beta and first time i got a special encounter was a month ago...
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: LostSoul on January 10, 2013, 02:20:28 am
Quote from: JovankaB on January 10, 2013, 01:46:35 am
This was changed about half a year ago. There is smaller chance to find them, but you can get them in various places.


"various" or "any"

Various sounds like it means "more than one location"

But "any" would imply we could find it 1 square left of NCR or 1 square left of ANYWHERE.


Just some CERTAIN CONFIRMED information would be really, I think highly appreciated by everyone.
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: Surf on January 10, 2013, 03:25:57 am
Jovanka has dropped many hints already in this thread that should make it easier for you to search for these new or old special encounters. Would you really search for a truck known to be in lost ruins in the middle of the desert for example?
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: LostSoul on January 10, 2013, 03:45:41 am
Quote from: Surf on January 10, 2013, 03:25:57 am
Jovanka has dropped many hints already in this thread that should make it easier for you to search for these new or old special encounters. Would you really search for a truck known to be in lost ruins in the middle of the desert for example?

It's not just about where... It's about the certainty of whether or not Luck or PE checks are done for the encounter.

This would then allow us to determine whether a high luck build may be viable to throw in to have a chance at finding it.

I've been under the impression that luck was not a factor, and have , since the beginning of the game made 1 luck hybrid characters, assuming my chances would be the same.

Is it not information you can absolutely 100% guarantee is true?

Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: Surf on January 10, 2013, 03:59:51 am
Quote from: LostSoul on January 10, 2013, 03:45:41 am
It's not just about where... It's about the certainty of whether or not Luck or PE checks are done for the encounter.

I have been out of touch with actual development for some months, but back then, the Luck Stat was never considered in the likelyhood to find such an encounter.
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: LostSoul on January 10, 2013, 04:04:27 am
Quote from: Surf on January 10, 2013, 03:59:51 am
I have been out of touch with actual development for some months, but back then, the Luck Stat was never considered in the likelyhood to find such an encounter.


You do understand how vague an answer this is right? Unless you're being gleefully cryptic in some hints...

Nothing of what you said puts any certainty into anything.
"back then"
Also no mention of PE check.

But now, is there a problem with my asking for this answer?  If there is please tell me, and I'll of course stop asking.  But as far as I know, the wiki aims to explain every detail of everything. I don't feel it's outlandish to want to know whether or LK or PE affect the chances. 

And yes, I agree I would not look for an urban encounter in the dessert.
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: Surf on January 10, 2013, 04:10:39 am
What I meant to say with my previous post is, that it was unheard of in the team to make special encounters dependent on Luck stats of the player back then, and I highly doubt that this has changed. I am sorry I can't give you a more clear answer, more kind and knowledgable souls like Jovanka surely can give more clear statements.
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: LostSoul on January 10, 2013, 04:28:54 am
Quote from: Surf on January 10, 2013, 04:10:39 am
I am sorry I can't give you a more clear answer, more kind and knowledgable souls like Jovanka surely can give more clear statements.

Perhaps....


Jovanka?
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: Lexx on January 10, 2013, 05:21:22 am
Luck was never in the calculation, because that would have made players create even more alts, just for encounter grinding.
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: FrankenStone on January 10, 2013, 05:28:37 am
i guess they are meaning caves but good luck to find anything there lol
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: Nexxos on January 10, 2013, 06:07:38 am
Quote from: LostSoul on January 10, 2013, 02:20:28 am
Just some CERTAIN CONFIRMED information would be really, I think highly appreciated by everyone.

Here's a piece of confirmed information: You can't find special encounters when traveling on zones purely consisting of water.
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: Leim on January 10, 2013, 06:11:19 am
Quote from: Nexxos on January 10, 2013, 06:07:38 am
Here's a piece of confirmed information: You can't find special encounters when traveling on zones purely consisting of water.
oh thats so funny, you're so cleaver Nexxos you should write a book on trolling.
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: Dendito on January 10, 2013, 06:13:31 am
Quote from: Leim on January 10, 2013, 06:11:19 am
oh thats so funny, you're so cleaver Nexxos you should write a book on trolling.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on January 10, 2013, 06:14:17 am
Quote from: Nexxos on January 10, 2013, 06:07:38 am
Here's a piece of confirmed information: You can't find special encounters when traveling on zones purely consisting of water.
And I say this because you can't walk on water :D
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: Horatio on January 10, 2013, 07:29:45 am
I once asked for a hint from Jovanka, where the vehicle special enc can be found and was told that they can be found at places where i expect a vehicle to be found.
That would make sense, if it were near junkyard, gas stations, cities, highways, but when i saw last two recent encounters near Hub or in Raider Valley...
Bullshit.
Looking at this, you can expect the encounter just everywhere so dont expect a KIND soul telling you anything.
All of you will be trolled with cryptical glee. So the version with GM-distributed encounters look very feasible to me.
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: Giftless on January 10, 2013, 07:43:17 am
I just found the hidden bomb shelter for the first time, after what, nine or ten months worth of playing? Though I've found the howitzer encounter twice long ago.

I think it's purely based on being over the right type of map and the raw number of steps you take on foot. Being in car screens out a lot of encounters, so you aren't "thrown in." Unless we get reports of people finding special encounters while in vehicles, I hypothesize you need to be on foot and in a non-choice, forced encounter situation!
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: LostSoul on January 10, 2013, 08:10:21 am
Are you able to find special encounters in groups?
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: T-888 on January 10, 2013, 08:34:08 am
Quote from: LostSoul on January 10, 2013, 08:10:21 am
Are you able to find special encounters in groups?

Yes, also one time I found Gauss with a pack of mercenaries. :)
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: LostSoul on January 10, 2013, 08:52:10 am
Is this information still accurate?

http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=11286.0
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: Grimmi on January 10, 2013, 09:37:47 am
You see SOT t-888 are playing with a Gm and she find many SE
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: Wipe on January 10, 2013, 11:43:20 am
Quote from: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on January 10, 2013, 06:14:17 am
because you can't walk on water :D

How sure of that you are?
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: Redivivus on January 10, 2013, 12:10:14 pm
Quote from: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on January 10, 2013, 06:14:17 am
And I say this because you can't walk on water :D
I'll just leave it here...
(https://i.imgur.com/cK1M0.jpg)
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: Alvarez on January 10, 2013, 01:58:17 pm
So whats the deal with the GM abuse? I remember the commotion about disappeared stuff, which JovankaB spawned AND deleted afterwards.

Yes, i know, it was stuff from event taken away due to a glitch. Maybe falls under exploits.

Yet i know that GMs spawn stuff for their pals, so they can "test out the features".
But when you ask and even offer all your ingame stuff for a single piece of stuff, i get a impression of sheer arrogance.
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: Mayck on January 10, 2013, 02:20:24 pm
Quote from: Giftless on January 10, 2013, 07:43:17 am
I hypothesize you need to be on foot and in a non-choice, forced encounter situation!
You can get special encs in car.

Quote from: Alvarez on January 10, 2013, 01:58:17 pm
Yet i know that GMs spawn stuff for their pals, so they can "test out the features".
Stuff spawned by GMs is rigged with special identifier... so i am glad you know better than the server itself...
Title: Re: Special Encounters Distributed By GMs?
Post by: Roachor on January 11, 2013, 03:21:23 am
Quote from: Alvarez on January 10, 2013, 01:58:17 pm
So whats the deal with the GM abuse? I remember the commotion about disappeared stuff, which JovankaB spawned AND deleted afterwards.

Yes, i know, it was stuff from event taken away due to a glitch. Maybe falls under exploits.

Yet i know that GMs spawn stuff for their pals, so they can "test out the features".
But when you ask and even offer all your ingame stuff for a single piece of stuff, i get a impression of sheer arrogance.

LOL offer all your ingame stuff? No one wants your worthless digital junk