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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => Suggestions => Topic started by: exori on November 28, 2012, 10:26:57 am
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this game isnt newb friendly at all and thats the problem.
if u want to have good game you need solid base of players playing it and also what u need is constant flow of new players.
when i started playing i was very close of quitting. was reading wiki and i learned that i need to make a tent. i got few brahmin hides and died. got it again and died again and so on and on. then i was lucky enough to meet one of my countryman in NCR who helped me to get my first tent (ty BigGunThug) and that kept me playing.
so i suggest that u implement an easy quest that will get u 10 brahmin hides to get your first tent. after u get the tent its easy. u can pile up some loot and continue playing.
quest should be something easy to make. like travel from VC to NCR and then to Hub and deliver message, or something like that. rly simple, possible to do it only once not to exploit.
this solution is very simple, doesn't require lot of programing (people tend t forget that when they make various suggestions) and should be easy to implement.
u finish the quest, get 10 brahmin hides, make the tent so u have something to start from and u can play normally.
maybe you can also add that you get some basic weapons, like spear, spiked knuckles, mauser and some ammo. some caps would be also nice, like 500. all that loot wouldn't affect in game economy on any negative way and it would help new player to have something to start with.
also u should work on advertisment and try to attract some more players, because at this tempo the game is losing more players than its getting and you will be left with only a small group of hardcore players playing.
as i understand u barely have money for servers, so the players by themselfs can help with this by advertising the game on their national forums.
maybe u could implement referal links to encourage players to get new players to the game.
you could implement some achivments for recruiting players. people love to get achivments. dont pay in caps, it will get exploited by alt chars.
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nah.... seriously this game is pretty pathetically easy. Sure the first time you play it is frustratingly "difficult", but to some extent that's part of its charm. Being able to accomplish a goal, making your first tent is a thrilling exhilarating experience! If you actually sit down, read the wiki, plan out what to do, it isn't hard to do all by yourself. For example, make your char in the planner, do the first few quests in ncr. Gather up some fruit and flint and then wood, make rotgut. Take rotgut and make molotovs, then go kill some mantis. There you should be lvl 3.Right now you DON'T need a tent, you don't have anything! Do some more basic quests like the goofy ones up in modoc to VC, ez. By about level 4 or 5 you should be able to go to 38,x (I forget right now...) with a crafted mauser and weak healing powders in turnbased and get 10 moo moos quite easily. If you can't do this, your really just too lazy to play this game imo and the game isn't going to get any better for you anyways.... To say that 90% of the population of the world isn't cut out to play a game without instant gratification and hello kitty (or WoW) easiness is an understatement.
Oh and I forgot, if you need helpful people and your not a complete asshole, try IRC #thelastlight. There are many people there that will probably help you get your first tent.
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nah.... seriously this game is pretty pathetically easy. Sure the first time you play it is frustratingly "difficult", but to some extent that's part of its charm. Being able to accomplish a goal, making your first tent is a thrilling exhilarating experience! If you actually sit down, read the wiki, plan out what to do, it isn't hard to do all by yourself. For example, make your char in the planner, do the first few quests in ncr. Gather up some fruit and flint and then wood, make rotgut. Take rotgut and make molotovs, then go kill some mantis. There you should be lvl 3.Right now you DON'T need a tent, you don't have anything! Do some more basic quests like the goofy ones up in modoc to VC, ez. By about level 4 or 5 you should be able to go to 38,x (I forget right now...) with a crafted mauser and weak healing powders in turnbased and get 10 moo moos quite easily. If you can't do this, your really just too lazy to play this game imo and the game isn't going to get any better for you anyways.... To say that 90% of the population of the world isn't cut out to play a game without instant gratification and hello kitty (or WoW) easiness is an understatement.
Oh and I forgot, if you need helpful people and your not a complete asshole, try IRC #thelastlight. There are many people there that will probably help you get your first tent.
and tell me, in that process how many times will new play die and he will be forced to start over getting stuff so he can lose it again?
new people should be able to play the game not be forced to read the wiki and the forums be4 they start to play.
and the point is not to scare off new players in the first day they start to play. you need to attract them and encourage them to play the next day also.
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and tell me, in that process how many times will new play die and he will be forced to start over getting stuff so he can lose it again?
new people should be able to play the game not be forced to read the wiki and the forums be4 they start to play.
and the point is not to scare off new players in the first day they start to play. you need to attract them and encourage them to play the next day also.
Pick an easier game.... :o
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Pick an easier game.... :o
ye right,
with that attitude this game will never get better.
it will only get worse.
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it's a "game", it isn't "give you everything ya want time!" You have to "work" to accomplish "goals" hence "accomplishments". Weapons? No problem dilly dally around ncr, look for rangers vs mauraders, scavange scraps after rangers take their picks. Caps? No problem, get outdoorsman to 50, get gecko skinning in klamath, hunt geckos. Experience? No problem shoot mutated molerats by themepark in the eyes for 300 xp a piece. Hides? No problem loiter around 30:8 and 31:8, nothing but cows and weak raiders. Too lazy to do any of these things? YOU GOT A PROBLEM!
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10hides quest? 100% support. This quest should be taken in vc/ncr/hub. Simple quest like scout area around city.
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actualy you can get that hides on lvl 1 with any build, since you can kill at least 1 brahmin with your hands (you can do it with 60hp and 50% unarmed) then you have to bring evey hide to city and put it on some hidden place(behind wall,locker...) you can make it pretty faster if you loot some pistol from vs encounter and craft 5 weak healing powders from flower available in every enco...
even if you die you are very close to VC and to 31:8 sector.
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actualy you can get that hides on lvl 1 with any build, since you can kill at least 1 brahmin with your hands (you can do it with 60hp and 50% unarmed) then you have to bring evey hide to city and put it on some hidden place(behind wall,locker...) you can make it pretty faster if you loot some pistol from vs encounter and craft 5 weak healing powders from flower available in every enco..
You can also improve your chances with doctor-alt dual log while leveling the hide-hunter...
No but seriously, of course everything is possible if you know the game. Nuubs don't know the game at all. The best way to help them is not to teach every one of them to get tent but let the game teach them instead. Some simple quest to get those hides is just perfect.
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I think would be best if all newbies will start with pregame questline before coming to main map. Like tutorial.
In this tutorial they can earn some in-game experience before playing (like how to earn hides, which cities are dangerous for newbies, how to earn money, how to save money in bank acc, etc.). No need in "free hides".
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Exori, it seems like that your worst nightmare is getting hides. Newbies might to NCR in the Westin Ranch part, get "A Brahmin Herdsman's Job" quest and kill brahmins for get 10 hides instead of save them from children; quest will fail and some reputation may decrease, but this metod is definitively the fastest and easiest one.
Anyway I approve this too, a little tutorial for beginners shall be helpful.
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Various NPCs answer questions at respawn locations and there is a crafting tutorial quest at Boneyard. But still a bugged one.
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10hides quest? 100% support. This quest should be taken in vc/ncr/hub. Simple quest like scout area around city.
I've been thinking about this a little. I personally think that the spawn area NPCs (like the ghoul caravan or the fat guy with the dog) should give the players some more instructions on game mechanics and such. The fat man DOES give you a quest that nets you some money IIRC, but that really isn't useful if a player does not have at least 3 CH. I would like to see a noob quest where the player has to do some simple combat, like stabbing a bunch of rats to death or something. This would both give the player a crash course in combat and it could reward something like a low tier gun (sawn off shotgun/pipe rifle/whatever). Since players can spawn in a couple different places in the start, similar quests would have to be implemented in a few towns (I've only ever spawned at either NCR or near VC).
I'm not sure whether or not they should be able to repeat these quests (like the dog quest in the boneyard), but I feel like implementing a few things like that would give new players a way to get some crappy gear that doesn't involve getting into a fistfight with an armed raider.
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wasteland is harsh, and only the strong survive, if you aint cool with fonline, go play tetris.
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wasteland is harsh, and only the strong survive, if you aint cool with fonline, go play tetris.
You don't even play atm. How can you tell others to get along with things you yourself aren't experiencing?
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I dunno. I mean most online game's I play these days are basically holding your bloody hand. Stupid tutorial guy keeps popping up on your screen telling you where to get quests but they are all of course easy as pie. You get a couple items, some xp and an understanding of the game but it all just feel's so... staged. Part of the allure of FOnline 2238 is that is doesn't hold your fucking hand.
You crawl out of a pit, talk to some dude to get your bearings and that's it. Its all up to you now and there ain't no magical fairy NPC patronizing you for being able to deliver a crate from one NPC to another. A tutorial like that takes all the satisfaction of figuring out the game and getting yourself started from the ground up.
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WoW kiddies wouldn't like that. A game where you need to use your brain! Unbearable!
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I dunno. I mean most online game's I play these days are basically holding your bloody hand. Stupid tutorial guy keeps popping up on your screen telling you where to get quests but they are all of course easy as pie. You get a couple items, some xp and an understanding of the game but it all just feel's so... staged. Part of the allure of FOnline 2238 is that is doesn't hold your fucking hand.
You crawl out of a pit, talk to some dude to get your bearings and that's it. Its all up to you now and there ain't no magical fairy NPC patronizing you for being able to deliver a crate from one NPC to another. A tutorial like that takes all the satisfaction of figuring out the game and getting yourself started from the ground up.
That's all part of the "magic" of older computer games, they didn't hold your hand. Baldurs gate, fallout 1 and 2, Jagged alliance, etc,. They didn't have to hold your hand, they gave you a "world" and a set of rules. This sand box allowed you to explore and figure out things as you went and imo was way more rewarding than having a linear quest that feels like bowling ball going down the lane with the gutters blocked so you won't feel the agony or disappointment of failure. I don't like how this thread is going, there is already a pleothra of intellectually brain dead games out there (like most all of them, take WoW as a perfect example, if you don't understand, go play it to level 10, I dare you). Being able to think will never be popular, but that doesn't mean that a game that won't ever appeal to a large audience isn't good, on the contrary it's probably the hallmark of an awesome game! Most people do want to have there hands held, and everything given to them (see some of the other sad threads on here) but these are the same kids that "played" and beat final fantasy 7 by using game shark. Please people, try to strive to be more than just "average"....
There used to be a difference between "computer" and "console", being that computer games were generally more in depth and complex while console games gave more immeadete rewards and more bang bang pew pew. This gap has sadly closed in favor of "console" difficulty and mental capacity. From a marketing point, it makes sense, sells more product. Making a challenging or complex game is generally the seal of doom for modern games as consumers expect awesome graphics and non stop action. This is why there is 99% fps on the market and TBS (turn based strategy) is all but dead. If your happy with another COD and another and another.......
In short, it's YOU that is the problem!
The games shouldn't change to accommodate the players, the players should learn how to play and enjoy the fucking games!
From a capitalist perspective this will never happen but as a mod of a game from the 90's it proudly can and imo should. Maintain your integrity, don't sellout to these morons that want a candy ass game, let them go play WoW or hello kitty or whatever retarded horseshit they'll play for 2 days before going on to the next buffet of horseshit they'll sit down to chow down on. After years of feasting and gorging on horseshit instant gratification games maybe one day they'll pull there heads out of there poopy assholes and discover there is a whole world of different types and genres of games? Nah, probably not........
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The games shouldn't change to accommodate the players, the players should learn how to play
You mean using multilogs and making specific alts for every task?
Fonline will never be a casual because it has full loot and open pvp. So stop worrying.
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Fonline will never be a casual because it has full loot and open pvp. So stop worrying.
It is casual for me. Casual mining and driving around.
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Had we more players, instead of mining casually you would become a casualty.
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Horatio was critically hit by boredom in the motivation for 9001 points and were killed.
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You don't even play atm. How can you tell others to get along with things you yourself aren't experiencing?
i might not be playing now, but when i logged on and checked my bank account, i had like 300k caps in it, not playing like a boss 8)
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So the issue is getting mad because trying to get brahmin hides to make a tent to store things which from there makes the game that much easier when you have a supply of things.
Why not just have a 10 brahmin hide quest in all the starting towns, do some interesting quest with a good witty story and there we go its noob friendly.
Its just stupid that noobs rely so heavily on some veteran player to make them a tent rather than doing something fun and reading a witty story with some funny dialog to get their first tent.
But you know what the trick is to starting out? You make 2 characters, make one of them some unarmed or melee preferably unarmed and rambo vs brahmins and then hide the hides somewhere in town, relog to your starting character that you want to level that uses guns etc, pick up the hides and repeat this until you have 10. That is how I did it at begining of this session as player #21 no help, no guy giving me hides its pretty simple, and as kaboom says you have to use your brain in this game if you want to get anywhere. But anyways point being the trick is to kill brahmins and hide their hides in some spot behind a wall or some low player traffic area and pick them all up once you reach 10.
This isn't a hold your hand compas game and I actually find this game more challenging than the single player game, and this game takes a lot of creative thinking and problem solving to get anywhere. But I have to say for somebody who did not play fallout1/2 and tried this game who is a call of duty or wow player forget it they wouldn't last a minute.
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damn you guys, what would i do if all newbies could get 10 hides themselves? :P