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Title: Fix AC limit.
Post by: Kilgore on August 06, 2012, 01:39:28 pm
The reasons why it should be done were posted numerous times:

- troll bluesuit with max AC and jinxed = free scout,
- almost invincible - to kill that crap effectively you need a specialised char,
- in conjunction with jinxed it's only a troll tool, causing normal (non-trollolo) chars only to crit miss,
- it was fine as it was before the boost.

We don't need any counter-troll perks just to fix the obviously broken game stuff.
We don't need to wait till some smart team makes 5 such trolls, equips it with hi-tier armor (little AC loss) and a weapon and just makes benny-hill running in TC zone while "capturing" it.
We don't need to wait till a bunch of these idiots starts to use C4 against fully equipped teams.

I'd not give a crap about that build but sometimes I join pvp and almost every time there are few of these retards running here and there.

Yes, I have an access to 300% EW fast shot 12 PE build and I still think it's a completely retarded feature, even more than SD working with grenades was. I consider it as a bug, but yet some developers think it's a cool feature - now that it's been tested properly let's get rid of this shit.
Title: Re: Fix AC limit.
Post by: DeputyDope on August 06, 2012, 08:47:32 pm
supported. game is unplayable now.

let me guess. the 3 people that voted "no" are Uftak, roach0r and Cyber Jesus.
Title: Re: Fix AC limit.
Post by: Mike Crosser on August 07, 2012, 12:26:59 am
let me guess. the 3 people that voted "no" are Uftak, roach0r and Cyber Jesus.
Now there is 5 of them my guess it's Vile and BOS Armorer.
Title: Re: Fix AC limit.
Post by: Roachor on August 07, 2012, 01:10:48 am
Btw i was testing out my 220 ac build lately, ive gotten killed while running by snipers, gatling laser, minigun and nades. So the whole "220 ac = invincible" is total bullshit. Most people have a high enough chance to hit that even the 220 malus isn't enough, they just don't know that because chance to hit isn't displayed when targeting ac builds. It's simply another case of people bitching about a mechanic they haven't tried or understand. Burst weapons being able to crit is way more unbalanced but you don't have a parade of whiners crying into their purses like with ac.
Title: Re: Fix AC limit.
Post by: racoon on August 07, 2012, 01:20:10 am
only snipers from like 10 hexes can shot you
Title: Re: Fix AC limit.
Post by: Johnny Nuclear on August 07, 2012, 01:27:07 am
So i'll say it again AC will get changed.
Title: Re: Fix AC limit.
Post by: falloutdude on August 07, 2012, 06:39:05 am
So i'll say it again AC will get changed.
this era ???
Title: Re: Fix AC limit.
Post by: DeputyDope on August 07, 2012, 09:28:21 am
So i'll say it again AC will get changed.

sooooooooooooooooo why was it changed in the first place?
Title: Re: Fix AC limit.
Post by: avv on August 07, 2012, 12:08:01 pm
So i'll say it again AC will get changed.

But why? This guy here just proved there's nothing wrong with it:

Btw i was testing out my 220 ac build lately, ive gotten killed while running by snipers, gatling laser, minigun and nades. So the whole "220 ac = invincible" is total bullshit. Most people have a high enough chance to hit that even the 220 malus isn't enough, they just don't know that because chance to hit isn't displayed when targeting ac builds. It's simply another case of people bitching about a mechanic they haven't tried or understand. Burst weapons being able to crit is way more unbalanced but you don't have a parade of whiners crying into their purses like with ac.
Title: Re: Fix AC limit.
Post by: Perteks on August 07, 2012, 01:05:31 pm
But why? This guy here just proved there's nothing wrong with it:
The reasons why it should be done were posted numerous times:

- troll bluesuit with max AC and jinxed = free scout,
- almost invincible - to kill that crap effectively you need a specialised char,
- in conjunction with jinxed it's only a troll tool, causing normal (non-trollolo) chars only to crit miss,
- it was fine as it was before the boost.
Title: Re: Fix AC limit.
Post by: Kool-Aid on August 07, 2012, 01:54:33 pm
Now there is 5 of them my guess it's Vile and BOS Armorer.
Do you even know V well enough to make such blames, kid ? I know all of his alts, none of them includes AC over 60. Watch your tongue

I personally don't think AC is THAT problematically. After all, its very similar to sneak, only that your visible.
Tho I didn't play much with a bger this season, so there must be some good reason all the hardcore PVPers detest this feature. I can only tell that some certain class of fighter (in this case, BGer) shouldn't be completely helpless by someone who isn't even wearing low-tier gear. So either nerf or put in some anti-perk.
Title: Re: Fix AC limit.
Post by: T-888 on August 07, 2012, 03:06:09 pm
So i'll say it again AC will get changed.

Good, only this time don't let anyone influence you, cap on armor class is the right decision that will work towards the quality of this game.
Title: Re: Fix AC limit.
Post by: Roachor on August 07, 2012, 04:37:50 pm
bgers aren't helpless, they just bitch when they can't instakill every player they see. As for scouts its called sneakers and they have always been part of this game, ac is no different except it takes more of a build investment and is visible. TCers need to open their eyes and realize that they aren't the only ones playing this game, you want rts deathmatch go play dota.  The real problem is players get set in their builds and just bitch in forum about every other class. It's like once you pick up an avenger they think you become the terminator and should be able to gun down everyone with impunity. It's like if WoWdevs said "warriors are tougher than all the other classes because they have armour and a big sword" and made every other class obsolete in pvp. They nerfed snipers when they didn't need a nerf and didn't fix burst crits which are total bullshit. The arguments against it are useless, not killing someone is hardly a complaint when they can't hurt you and sneakers/lvl 1 suicide alts can scout just as well.
Title: Re: Fix AC limit.
Post by: T-888 on August 07, 2012, 04:50:52 pm
No idea what point you trying to prove, and again more gibberish, hyperbole. Most of your post is just some random nonsense comparisons that doesn't prove anything, you aren't able to out weight basic arguments because you have none.

not killing someone is hardly a complaint when they can't hurt you and sneakers/lvl 1 suicide alts can scout just as well.

Doesn't work that way in practice, sneakers can be killed by other sneakers before they get to position to scout and level 1 alts have slim chance of scouting anything at all, any other team that does TC won't let random players approaching their position and will pick off potential threat and level 1 characters are the easiest to deal with. Loner, go learn to play the game. Go back to your dark corner and don't back until common sense has struck you.
Title: Re: Fix AC limit.
Post by: Crazy on August 07, 2012, 04:55:42 pm
bgers aren't helpless, they just bitch when they can't instakill every player they see. As for scouts its called sneakers and they have always been part of this game, ac is no different except it takes more of a build investment and is visible.

And that there is no skill involved to successfully scout with AC instead of sneak and it's pretty hard to get rid of them, not mentioning the danger of doing it with jinxed, while killing enemy sneaks is perfectly doable, especially with mention sensor and you own sneaks. AC also pose problem with looting on battlefield, as it is easier to do than with a sneak. Don't see WTF it have to do with BG, most TC players don't have a preference and just pick the most appropriate build for the situation.

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TCers need to open their eyes and realize that they aren't the only ones playing this game, you want rts deathmatch go play dota.  The real problem is players get set in their builds and just bitch in forum about every other class. It's like once you pick up an avenger they think you become the terminator and should be able to gun down everyone with impunity. It's like if WoWdevs said "warriors are tougher than all the other classes because they have armour and a big sword" and made every other class obsolete in pvp. They nerfed snipers when they didn't need a nerf and didn't fix burst crits which are total bullshit.

Pretty much all TC players complained about burst crits. Again you're talking nonsense, we don't have a bias for bg, and I don't really see what the hell is your problem with TC players.

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The arguments against it are useless, not killing someone is hardly a complaint when they can't hurt you and sneakers/lvl 1 suicide alts can scout just as well.

No, an AC build work much better than a sneak to scout ATM. A lvl 1 suicide alt will get eliminated before seeing 2 players.
The bullshit arguments are pretty much only yours atm.
Title: Re: Fix AC limit.
Post by: Roachor on August 07, 2012, 05:02:47 pm
No idea what point you trying to prove, and again more gibberish, hyperbole. Most of your post is just some random nonsense comparisons that doesn't prove anything, you aren't able to out weight basic arguments because you have none.

Doesn't work that way in practice, sneakers can be killed by other sneakers before they get to position to scout and level 1 alts have slim chance of scouting anything at all, any other team that does TC won't let random players approaching their position and will pick off potential threat and level 1 characters are the easiest to deal with. Loner, go learn to play the game.

Dude you're a retarded pvp ape with zero comprehension of game theory and no knowledge of the mechanics past the crap on the wiki. Just because for the first time in the short time you've played this game a group of guys with avengers isn't an unstoppable killing machine you immediately get all pussyhurt and go cry in the forums. The reason I'm a loner is because combat in this game is boring and keeping factions together requires too much effort and has little benefits other than access to gear that I can farm solo anyways. Your biggest complaint about ac is that it makes you invulnerable which isn't true. High AC builds are easy to kill, mine dies all the time at 20 hex with 220. You're just some n00b someone trained to pvp, respect your elders bitch.
Title: Re: Fix AC limit.
Post by: Crazy on August 07, 2012, 05:11:07 pm
Mmmh, I think it's pretty clear roachor is either a troll, either retarded and maybe both. We should ignore him from now.
Title: Re: Fix AC limit.
Post by: Kilgore on August 07, 2012, 05:11:50 pm
roachor:
> dying all the time with max ac troll
> calling other noobs


Mmmh, I think it's pretty clear roachor is either a troll, either retarded and maybe both. We should ignore him from now.

Yeah.
Title: Re: Fix AC limit.
Post by: T-888 on August 07, 2012, 06:02:31 pm
Don't feed the angry troll.

High AC builds are easy to kill, mine dies all the time at 20 hex with 220.

Noob. ;D
Title: Re: Fix AC limit.
Post by: Jackiepaipai on August 07, 2012, 07:32:57 pm
High AC char are not good scout, you should try to play at least one of this char:
As they need to run everytime they can't have a permanent field of view.

Also as sneak can be killed by other sneaks, High AC char wouldn't be killed by other High AC char?

Though, I do agree the real problem of this alts is looting on the battle ground and jinxed trait.



Title: Re: Fix AC limit.
Post by: avv on August 07, 2012, 07:48:00 pm
High AC char are not good scout, you should try to play at least one of this char:
As they need to run everytime they can't have a permanent field of view.

So what? Just seeing the enemy briefly is enough.

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Also as sneak can be killed by other sneaks, High AC char wouldn't be killed by other High AC char?

No.
Title: Re: Fix AC limit.
Post by: DeputyDope on August 07, 2012, 07:56:10 pm
bgers aren't helpless, they just bitch when they can't instakill every player they see.
and you also bitch about dying in bluesuit with nothing to lose so you can come back in 30 seconds and troll again.

As for scouts its called sneakers and they have always been part of this game, ac is no different except it takes more of a build investment and is visible.
what build investment? you just go in bluesuit. and you can also loot the dead bodies. hardcore investment.

TCers need to open their eyes and realize that they aren't the only ones playing this game, you want rts deathmatch go play dota.
yeah and you should open your eyes already that supporting this shit fucks up the game.


The real problem is players get set in their builds and just bitch in forum about every other class.
i don't have neither the time, nor the mood to level 500 characters because devs keep changing game mechanics. ofc i get set in my build. i level it with a purpose, and if i see my build is useless after an update/change, i'm getting mad.

It's like once you pick up an avenger they think you become the terminator and should be able to gun down everyone with impunity.
yeah. because EVERYONE in this game plays with BG. SG, EW, fuck'em.

They nerfed snipers when they didn't need a nerf and didn't fix burst crits which are total bullshit.
this discussion is about high AC, not snipers/crit bursters.

The arguments against it are useless, not killing someone is hardly a complaint when they can't hurt you and
but they can hurt you. if you 1on1 them, you are fully geared, he is bluesuit. you shoot him, you lose turn, he can just HH you to death. because you can't hit them you have to wait for them to come to you. you critically miss losing turn, they have enough time to come and HH you, so please stop talking BS.

sneakers/lvl 1 suicide alts can scout just as well.
sneakers can be counter-attacked by snipers and other sneakers. lvl 1 suicide alts can be killed in 1 second by snipers, so they won't get to scout too much.