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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => General Game Discussion => Topic started by: aForcefulThrust on June 18, 2011, 11:19:00 pm
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Trying to figure out what players think is the most powerful weapon in the game. Left out gauss, because it's not readily available to the players like other weapons, and usualy to expensive to use in normal player hunting. If you have a fav weapon I left out, feel free to mention it ;)
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Of course you leave out the sniper rifle.... Which is the obvious choice...
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I like the plasma melt animation, it fits to every critter, including players (and bluesuits!). Voted for Plasma Rifle, a fine weapon.
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I like the plasma melt animation, it fits to every critter, including players (and bluesuits!). Voted for Plasma Rifle, a fine weapon.
Same. The insane crits are pleasants.
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Sniper rifle added
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Laser rifle. Easy availability (it's farmable), high damage crits, good range.
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Rocket launcher, with a squad of rocket launcher people you will be unstoppable unless you find yourself under attack by a shitload of snipers :D
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Not a single vote for avenger? Isn't it slightly more powerful then LSW? Why no one use it?
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Me like cattleprod for zap-zap. Why no melee/unarmed choices?
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Not a single vote for avenger? Isn't it slightly more powerful then LSW? Why no one use it?
LSW is generaly better at killing lightly and mediocre armored targets. Also, LSWs are easier to farm, cheaper and eat less ammo.
Not that avenger is a bad weapon, but LSW has more uses
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.223 pistol, easy to farm, nice damage, ok range.
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LSW - retard-friendly ultimate gun - in other words it does not requre as much strength as miniguns need, you can farm the ammo easily, range is quite decent and it does insane average damage.
Those FFA events pretty much confirmed there's nothing superior to it when it can't be outranged.
Plasma is worth mentioning due to it's insane damage and long range perk with max 24range - allowing very interesting builds.
Ofcourse if we would talk TC, I'd vote for Rocket Launcher, but this is general poll, right?
EDIT: just noticed you mixed some of the weapons that have little in common, plasma and laser rifles are like apples and oranges. And for plasma pistol one could honorably mention it, It's still insane damage, now in pistol package. Yet it's way too limited to pass the poll.
If you have a fav weapon I left out, feel free to mention it
You missed gatling laser, which can really be ... farmed ... yet we all know about it's uselesness...
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i vote for Plasma and laser pistols
you forget the powerful P90c, with an apropiate build this weapon can kill BGs at Hinkley
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Where is the fn fal? It can do quite nice damage and if you have two you don't even need to reload 4 burst is a sure good damage even from far from close it can do a lot of nice damage.
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LSW is generaly better at killing lightly and mediocre armored targets.
Only if you're using the wrong type of ammo for light targets.
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you forgot:
mauser
flamer
spear
rock
brass knucles
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Only if you're using the wrong type of ammo for light targets.
That is so true, nothing is better than avenger + jhp ammo vs. bluesuits or leather armors ;D
The problem is not many people care about taking both types ap + jhp and switch between them during the fight. I find it very annoying, it's like "watch out, army of bluesuits coming, I'm opening inventory, changing ammo, losing my action points, then shooting" oh c'mon, LSW is better weapon because of one type of powerful ammo.
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For the rock, even if it is rarelly effective, it is very very fun to make an instant kill with it.... ::)
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you forgot:
mauser
Fun weapon ;]
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Only if you're using the wrong type of ammo for light targets.
Light targets in this case are chars without 2x toughness and psycho. Nobody uses leather armors in end-tier tc.
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Ok, I didn't include every weapon... :P to late to edit the pole now.
Light targets in this case are chars without 2x toughness and psycho. Nobody uses leather armors in end-tier tc.
Not everybody plays for TC.. Some people play to shoot bluesuits! I imagine JHP + Avenger would be noob annihilation. My fav weapon for bluesuits is by far, the BB gun! Nothing is more hilarious then making them suffer with 2 cripled legs, arms, and letting them walk. Hopefully they don't have doctor!
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Only if you're using the wrong type of ammo for light targets.
Ammo for what ? Other weapons ? Yes thats true, but LSW obliterates anything regardless of ammo.
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If you named favorite weapon for killing players i will chose lsw its best right now burst bg weapon. But most effective sniper rifle, one shot can get u out from fight, even sometimes u dont know from where u get those shoots. And insane critical hits and ko (even with stonelol its very often). Practically 90% of shoot in hand give weapon drop sometimes its worst thing ever :P
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(Yet)
But in any event, avenger out performs lsw vs any target, so the point stands.
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TB: lsw
RT: RL
But the funnyest weapon in FOnline is the BB Gun. That's when the fun really starts.
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(Yet)
But in any event, avenger out performs lsw vs any target, so the point stands.
Event organized by gm's or event you mean normal fight :P
Probably in even by gm, because there is no lsw ;D
normal fight... sorry but i often laugh when i see dude with avenger and most time i have right :P tb or rt its same only difrence is in tb i laugh even more xd
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Don't let little things like facts get in your way. Good for you *pats head*
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Don't let little things like facts get in your way. Good for you *pats head*
What you never get about this LSW vs Avenger is pure DPS is not the only thing to count. And that's why LSW is better.
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Hmmm, who woulda thought this would turn into a lsw vs avenger thread.
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sg burst weapon isnt so bad in low range with low sg skill.
assault rifle for example - 2brd + all other sg burst build kill ba guys from 2 bursts. and all this 2 bursts come in 1 row with no delay.
and p90 at hinkley with my ubern00b build killing ba huge hp guys with 1 crit burst. (25 crit+no finesse+better crit).
and even assault rifle is really better for n00b builds, because long range work really great with 100% sg skill and 6pe. can make same dmg burst at 1 hex and at nearby 6-8 hex.
+ wai nefr melee or unarmed. unarmed guys killing any player (if player come to 1 hex). melee make knok out + knok down often. so melee guy with ripper or uber cattle prod can kill other player with not big problems.
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What you never get about this LSW vs Avenger is pure DPS is not the only thing to count. And that's why LSW is better.
Nope, if peoplpe say its easier to farm a LSW and its ammo then fair enough - Avengers & LSW needed changing in those regards even before the last wipe. Post wipe it will be a comparison of Minigun vs LSW and the availability of the two will be comparable.
However that is not what people say, they say it does more damage, or its better for crits, etc etc - which is untrue.
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Sniper Rifle. Unmatched range, and with a critical build that weapon is 95% deadly.
Still my favourite weapon is the Gatling Laser. It does not only hit the blues and greens to pieces,
it also shows you are a rich man who probably has tons of MFC's.
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i made 1 hexburst into a guy in ba with avenger (ap ammo, 2brd) - 122dmg ROTFLMAO xD
after 2 minutes did the same (the same guy the same char) with LSW - 223dmg xD
2 days ago fighting in new reno 2 burst in middle range into a guy in ba: 30 / 43 dmg rotflmao xD
almost a watergun
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Plasma grenades + Jet + BRoF +2 AB + 10 AG + 330 Sneak
In RT just wait half a second for the fifth shot.
Otherwise its Rocket Mercenaries or just a Hunting Rifle on a stealthy crit sniper.
The Hunting Rifle sniper has nothing to lose.
Also- SMG to the back, point blank. Thank you for mining for me.
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i made 1 hexburst into a guy in ba with avenger (ap ammo, 2brd) - 122dmg ROTFLMAO xD
after 2 minutes did the same (the same guy the same char) with LSW - 223dmg xD
2 days ago fighting in new reno 2 burst in middle range into a guy in ba: 30 / 43 dmg rotflmao xD
almost a watergun
Note, this is the kind of nonsense that I am correcting.
Feel free to search my posts quoting 20/40/60+ shots with both weapons in a controlled enviroment which correlated exactly to the theory which shows the Avenger does much better average damage too.
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i don't know it seems to me that, when u go any amount of range away from a player LSW outpreforms avenger most times.
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A good example of why controlled testing beats random musings ;)
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my random musings come from almost 2 years of ingame pvp experience ;)
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This poll has no sense, it depends on the situation.
To PK in one shot a poor bluesuit, a good' ol pancor is wonderful....
To kill a poor PVP Chosen Soldier, drugged, with BA it's clearly not the ideal weapon...
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And they are wrong, as demonstrated in a controlled test.
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And they are wrong, as demonstrated in a controlled test.
What if players did their own controlled test? And it proved LSW is better than Avenger in most cases? What would you say then?
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Try again, because you're wrong.
Though it would be understandable, its a huge amount of work to do a proper test without admin powers.
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Try again, because you're wrong.
Though it would be understandable, its a huge amount of work to do a proper test without admin powers.
And huge time to see on TC and other form of pvp LSW win :P sometimes theory is other than reality Solar :D
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Its not theory. I've sat and shot these guns at someone cheated to lose no health or armour det and with known stats for 20 times each and averaged it.
I tested lsw vs avenger for multiple builds and posted the log of the results.
This is a controlled test. It agrees with the theory (which would only be wrong because of a bug anyway)
Simply, the avenger is better damage.
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Only in pointblack and if half of rounds will hit (whats is most times impossible :D) In every other aspect lsw win
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::) Following test was done from over 2 hexes away
I think you're misremembering that ;)
Avenger was averaging higher than the LSW, as it should, even in that test.
I've just finished testing them both vs Bob who had BA stats, set to not deteriorate. To quote the log:
To save you having to add them up - Avenger total of 20 shots 1601 (Average of 80) LSW total 1400 (Average of 70)
Meaning the avenger is doing an average of 15% more damage, even in this test. I would actually expect the avenger to pull even further ahead as the sample increased
View the topic (the next 2 or 3 pages) for other results - all showing Avenger beating anything else.
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::) Following test was done from over 2 hexes away
2 hex its joke? Say me one thing its any difrence betwen 2 hex and 15 :P? (because 15 is more realistic scenario)
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The only difference is 1 hex, 2 hexes is the same as 30 hexes as far as bullet spread is concearned. Incidentally, I think I was at max range anyway ;)
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it doesn't matter what u say this controlled test was more accurate than our experiences in game. o.0
my vote goes for light support weapon not only considering damage but, the fact u can take 1 luck and no brd and still pwn with this gem. xD
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PPK12 Gauss Pistol during Town Control actions.
Plasma Rifle in normal PvP.
I just like it, I'm not the PvP expert,
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it doesn't matter what u say this controlled test was more accurate than our experiences in game. o.0
my vote goes for light support weapon not only considering damage but, the fact u can take 1 luck and no brd and still pwn with this gem. xD
Meh, feel free to be wrong. I've given you the correct answer and the evidence - If you choose to believe something false then more power to you.
Post wipe the Avenger will really knock your socks off, so even those who aren't very good at judging these weapons will be able to see it :D
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Meh, feel free to be wrong. I've given you the correct answer and the evidence - If you choose to believe something false then more power to you.
Post wipe the Avenger will really knock your socks off, so even those who aren't very good at judging these weapons will be able to see it :D
I smell imba here
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Post wipe the Avenger will really knock your socks off,
Awesome... Will any SG pistols like 14 mm or 223 also "knock my socks off"?
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XL70 and HPFA will be pretty nice. These types of weapons will be only on high level encounters, so hopefully they won't be too common (if we can get the difficulty right at last).
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(if we can get the difficulty right at last).
You mean encounters that will be x10 times stronger than "hard encounter" for one person and x100 times stronger for 10, because this one person will call 9 his friends with radio, so it'll be equal if he'll find it alone and call his friends, this way they will have fair fight?
Like: I'm poor wastelander, alone, oh noes! An encounter!
You encounter: "An army of 50 evil raiders with fn fal HPFA's"
Or just remove this silly encounter multiplier for number of players, because you made radio to avoid it, what reason.
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Simply, the avenger is better damage.
Which is questionable to be worth all the extra effort and requirements. But definetly saw it's use already, and will do in future.
However, while it's not hard to pick up something from army of small guns (just to be honest X70 is the least remarkable weapon, as the most fallout players did really never touched it, but still better than implementing caseless amunition)
What would be the counter for those from other weapon types. Yes, gatling laser is going to oneshot anything that will wear worse armor than MA, and above that just do average damage, but still can be sort of a fun - however what's up with melee weapons - they've already gotten ripper or upgraded cattle prods or just megapowerfists for quite some time, yet nobody cares to bring more than spiked knuckles.
And afterall, isn't it just contradiction to promise of making low-tech stuff more useful, when there are weapons of this kind?
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XL70 and HPFA will be pretty nice. These types of weapons will be only on high level encounters, so hopefully they won't be too common (if we can get the difficulty right at last).
Sounds nice!! Awaiting wipe...
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XL70 and HPFA will be pretty nice. These types of weapons will be only on high level encounters, so hopefully they won't be too common (if we can get the difficulty right at last).
Players will always find a way to farm it. Like avengers and gatling are the easiest weapons to farm this wipe at least for me .
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Why is there no ripper option? I like to PK like a boss ;D
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cuz super catle brood is better
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You mean encounters that will be x10 times stronger than "hard encounter" for one person and x100 times stronger for 10, because this one person will call 9 his friends with radio, so it'll be equal if he'll find it alone and call his friends, this way they will have fair fight?
Like: I'm poor wastelander, alone, oh noes! An encounter!
You encounter: "An army of 50 evil raiders with fn fal HPFA's"
Or just remove this silly encounter multiplier for number of players, because you made radio to avoid it, what reason.
Yes, if radio reinforcements remain there will have to be a way for the NPCs to call in their own reinforcements to maintain comparable numbers. Eventually some encounters will be hard because they'll just get boosts until they are.
And afterall, isn't it just contradiction to promise of making low-tech stuff more useful, when there are weapons of this kind?
Not really. You can have useful low tech weapons whilst still having better higher tech. Of course prices are all over the place at the moment, so in that regards its not really a fair comparison yet. Expect prices to be squeezed closer together.