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What is with the hate of Fallout 3 and New Vegas here? lets get some things straight...
Fallout 3 is a magnificent game. Bethesda's track record on making open world RPG's is extensive, and they are one of my all time favorite developers. I have probably spent a 1/3rd of my life playing Oblivion and Fallout 3 alone. When I heard Bethesda would be developing Fallout 3 for the first time, I was extremely happy, seeing one of my favorite game series being risen from the dead with Bethesda's expertise. The game was and still is great for many reasons. Go play it, if you don't know.
What I don't understand is how Fallout 1+2 players can openly despise the game so much while I, a fellow 1+2 player, love it. The game is not how it used to be, I can understand but do you think they would continue developing isometric games forever? I understand nostalgia, but lets look back a moment here.
Fallout 1, the classic, had a handful of side quests and the main quest. The side quests were normally un-complex and easy to beat, and after that is finished, other than the main quest there really is nothing to do. The game also had a very limited number of locations. In Fallout 3, there are hundreds of quests and locations to explore, and a main quest. Fallout 3 can keep you entertained a much longer time, and that is just a fact. Fallout 1 was a great game don't get me wrong, But it had its advantages and disadvantages just like Fallout 3. People tend to look back at Fallout 1 with all their nostalgia and forget that it had its sucky parts too.
Although Fallout 2 had more quests and locations, it was definitely not as good (but still decent) as Fallout 1 for multiple reasons. You see how things are now? Older is not ALWAYS better when it comes to games.
I think what really happens is that the people who played Fallout 1 and 2 are annoyed that Fallout became so popular. As the fps crowd came over from the call of dutys and battlefields the original Fallout players began to call their own game dumb. People who have played the originals can be so elitist it clouds their judgement of whether a game is really good or not.
So yea, if you truly don't like Fallout 3, then don't play it. But give credit where credit is deserved, Bethesda made a great game. It is simply unfair to say that Fallout 3 sucks/is not cannon/etc.
(btw New Vegas was alright too, not as good as Fallout 3 but still it was alright.)
alright, thats it. I'm done.
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ib4 "Fallout 3 sux, NV is awesome".
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If it would be more Morrowind-ish, I would like it. Morrowind was awasome. But oblivion, totally diferent story. Fallout 3 was something like post-apo Oblivion. Horrible.
Old isn't always better, but in this case, it is.
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If it would be more Morrowind-ish, I would like it. Morrowind was awasome. But oblivion, totally diferent story. Fallout 3 was something like post-apo Oblivion. Horrible.
Old isn't always better, but in this case, it is.
why is it horrible? elaborate.
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Recycled old engine, Check
Lots of eye candy to make players like the game, Check
Large world tinted green, Check
Terrible fps with quests, Check
Bethseda spending 4 years to develop a game with a team many, many times the size of the originals, Check
All in all, of course it was a bigger game, but it had way to many shortcomings for a game that took 4 years developing without creating a new engine for it.
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fallout 3 was good i love bethesda
fallout new vegas sucks way too easy even on hardcore mode and very hard and the bugs are sooo annoying i hated the storey i still play it once in awhile but too easy and bad storey.
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Fallout 3 was terribly easy as well. Grab a hunting rifle, pew pew them popamoles!
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Recycled old engine, Check
Lots of eye candy to make players like the game, Check
Large world tinted green, Check
Terrible fps with quests, Check
Bethseda spending 4 years to develop a game with a team many, many times the size of the originals, Check
All in all, of course it was a bigger game, but it had way to many shortcomings for a game that took 4 years developing without creating a new engine for it.
1. I thought the engine could've been better, but why not use it? it wasn't terrible. and Oh again, the SAME can be said for Fallout 1 and 2.
2. Uhm, how is this a bad thing?
3. I don't even understand this. The entire world really isn't green... its more of a brownish color :P I think your referring to Oasis? :P
4. The fps is not terrible; but its not great either. The game is also not a full blown fps either. What your saying here is like complaining the Fallout 1 had a crappy hand to hand combat system. You sound like someone who came to Fallout 3 as an Fps player, expecting it to be like an FPS. I would think that a fallout player would look for more storyline driven details instead of all Pure combat/graphics details as your suggesting....
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Fallout 3 was terribly easy as well. Grab a hunting rifle, pew pew them popamoles!
And so was NV.... NV i found shitteier too manyt open quests not a good story, not good gameplay.....f3 was beeter
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Fallout 3 was terribly easy as well. Grab a hunting rifle, pew pew them popamoles!
*Very hard difficulty
I thought Fallout 1 and 2 were easy too.
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I never stated that #2 was a bad thing did i, also the fact that you think fallout 1 & 2's engine could be better just shows how little you know of how making games has changed, with a team of more than 50 working on fallout 3 a new engine should have taken very little time to do, you can think that the oblivion engine isn't that bad but considering when the game came out, it was terrible.
I sound like someone who came to fallout 3 expecting it to be an fps? THATS WHAT IT WAS. There was rpg in it but it was mostly fps. When a game is mostly fps you expect it to have "great" fps. The main storyline was ok, but i found most of the side quests and vaults to be terrible.
(If bioware had done fallout 3 we probably wouldn't be having this discussion, THAT is a company that knows how to make rpgs.)
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Slaver: No, bioware WAS that company, that created good RPG. It is not anymore. Viz DA1 and 2. Now it create FPS with RPG elements.
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I never stated that #2 was a bad thing did i, also the fact that you think fallout 1 & 2's engine could be better just shows how little you know of how making games has changed, with a team of more than 50 working on fallout 3 a new engine should have taken very little time to do, you can think that the oblivion engine isn't that bad but considering when the game came out, it was terrible.
I sound like someone who came to fallout 3 expecting it to be an fps? THATS WHAT IT WAS. There was rpg in it but it was mostly fps. When a game is mostly fps you expect it to have "great" fps. The main storyline was ok, but i found most of the side quests and vaults to be terrible.
(If bioware had done fallout 3 we probably wouldn't be having this discussion, THAT is a company that knows how to make rpgs.)
I'm not complaining about Fallout 2's engine, I'm just saying that it WAS old and it WAS recycled. Just like Fallout 3. Do I still love both games? yes.
and what are you talking about, it was terrible when it came out? It won game of the year, and best RPG of the year from multiple publications. They don't know what their talking about too, right?
There are multiple skills in Fallout 3 other than Small Guns and Energy Weapons. The game has other aspects too, even if it lags behind in the combat sector. And Side quests and vaults are terrible? Your sounding silly...
Maybe your expecting too much? just because they could've made a new engine, doesn't mean they have too. and to the majority of people, including me and many of the aforementioned publications were perfectly happy with what we got.
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and what are you talking about, it was terrible when it came out? It won game of the year, and best RPG of the year from multiple publications. They don't know what their talking about too, right?
I figure I'll just spill the beans here, cus i don't care much about the rest, as it's been discussed several times in the past already.
Almost all longrunning large publications are so obviously and dreadfully bribed and corrupt for giving it an amazing godlike rating for every game made by large richass companies it makes me cry in my sleep. It's all about hyping up a gamer community for the biggest bang for your buck, even if it means lying your ass off so much it ends up sticking to your face.
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I figure I'll just spill the beans here, cus i don't care much about the rest, as it's been discussed several times in the past already.
Almost all longrunning large publications are so obviously and dreadfully bribed and corrupt for giving it an amazing godlike rating for every game made by large richass companies it makes me cry in my sleep. It's all about hyping up a gamer community for the biggest bang for your buck, even if it means lying your ass off so much it ends up sticking to your face.
Oh come on already.
People always have conflicting opinions about games. I think, (even if they are corrupt) in a way the publications do represent what the majority of people think.
Do the majority of people hate Fallout 3 with a passion? of course not. Do the majority of people love it as much as the publications spell it out to be? probably not, but people still like it.
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Oh come on already.
People always have conflicting opinions about games. I think, (even if they are corrupt) in a way the publications do represent what the majority of people think.
Do the majority of people hate Fallout 3 with a passion? of course not. Do the majority of people love it as much as the publications spell it out to be? probably not.
I think I messed up the grammar. I'm referring to all games these publicators rate. Not just fallout 3. I actually enjoyed 3 and NV to the fullest however when I play fo1 and 2 I see where they fall short.
All in all, I'm glad Bethesda revived the game, But I wish they would get a decent Bug testing team or switch engines already god dammit. They act like they have no sense. But I HHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEE Liars and Corrupt fuckers like bethesda and their publicators. So fuck them for their lies, even reviving such a great game/genre does not erase this.
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I think I messed up the grammar. I'm referring to all games these publicators rate. Not just fallout 3. I actually enjoyed 3 and NV to the fullest however when I play fo1 and 2 I see where they fall short.
All in all, I'm glad Bethesda revived the game, But I wish they would get a decent Bug testing team or switch engines already god dammit. They act like they have no sense. But I HHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEE Liars and Corrupt fuckers like bethesda and their publicators. So fuck them for their lies, even reviving such a great game/genre does not erase this.
ah well, they need money too.
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I don't like New Vegas much I like Fallout 3 (thats why I bought it in the first place) . Why? First you people have to watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpBc2kgXbPc
This game is full of bugs . In my oppinion NV is little baby and Fallout 3 is big daddy. NV is all to linear every encounter is the same every npc is in the same place its like all it was made to happen everytime at same place same minute/second . And the DLC ? That's a joke or what ? Fallout 3 DLC's are 50 times better and will still be. Say what you want but you know its like this. Just cuz they brought some concepts from Van Burren and that they made the APA from Fallout 2'n'shit and they made 3 versions of the same power armor oh WOW OMFG JESUS CHRIST THIS GAME IS GREAT!!! ITS MADE MY EX BLACK ISLE OMFG ZOMG is great.No its not I'm sorry.Thats all I got to say.
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I don't like New Vegas much I like Fallout 3 (thats why I bought it in the first place) . Why? First you people have to watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpBc2kgXbPc
This game is full of bugs . In my oppinion NV is little baby and Fallout 3 is big daddy. NV is all to linear every encounter is the same every npc is in the same place its like all it was made to happen everytime at same place same minute/second . And the DLC ? That's a joke or what ? Fallout 3 DLC's are 50 times better and will still be. Say what you want but you know its like this. Just cuz they brought some concepts from Van Burren and that they made the APA from Fallout 2'n'shit and they made 3 versions of the same power armor oh WOW OMFG JESUS CHRIST THIS GAME IS GREAT!!! ITS MADE MY EX BLACK ISLE OMFG ZOMG is great.No its not I'm sorry.Thats all I got to say.
I pretty much agree with you there. That gun glitch actually looked kind of cool at first... :P
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I pretty much agree with you there. That gun glitch actually looked kind of cool at first... :P
Thats not a glitch lets be realists. Its a secret feature you get when you buy game its soo secret that not even teh idiots who made the game know about it.
Hail the king baby! Duke Nukem is comming!
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hahahahahaahHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHA
Ok after of 12 years waiting for this Duke Nukem, im thinking it will be a fu··$$ piece of s·$%& yes man, the original game was awesome, but dont expect anything of this classic "Forever"
Also i love all the fallouts (exept brotherhood ofsteel) and FO3 is an awesome game i spent 126hours of mah life for complete all with all DLC, yes it is not canon fallout it dont follows fo1 and fo2 style, but is awesome
NV is another history, i dont know what to think about it, it is made by the fallout bible creator and his history continues what Van Buren did, but it is soooooo boring:
lot of only talking quest
unbalanced stats, you can acces to many misions or even continue the main game without a high speech
0 exploration (i love fo3 for the incredible exploration)
bad history, youre just a curier, nothing awesome,
bad end,you cant continue after over it
also i think that oblivion is Boring, exept the IV it rocks!!!!
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Thats not a glitch lets be realists. Its a secret feature you get when you buy game its soo secret that not even teh idiots who made the game know about it.
Hail the king baby! Duke Nukem is comming!
Dont excpect duke nukem to be any better.... i dont thnk players are used tot hose kind of fps anymore...
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http://img823.imageshack.us/i/unbenannth.gif/
U mad?
No, now for real. F3 isnt bad, for sure! i played it, it is fun (pc is slower(or better, depends); ps3 is more comfitable). I understood the GEEK and i maded tons of mods. I planned to make Tutorials for it, but i'll never do it...
@ the people who think they are the best at the GEEK: you know how to edit Models, Textures, Game Values (maxLVL, XpReward, Walk Speed) and make maps? No? too bad 8)
Fallout New Vegas is more an fucking-huge remake of Fallout 3. It has some bugs, the stuff that is changed (wrong) from Fallout 1&2 to 3 is now more shit (ok, we missed marcus, but that is it!). If i would have the chance to get Fallout New Vegas or Fallout 3 (without played it before), 100% i would take F3.
People who never played Fallout would say "Fallout New Vegas is the best, it is the newest so it is the best. Point."
I would answer "You should play an Fallout game before you say this piece of Crap! You dont know about if it is the best."
Fallout New Vegas is for Fallout 3 like Command & Conquer 4 for the other Command & Conquer 's
Fallout 3 = 9/10
Fallout New Vegas = 6,5/10
C&C 3 = 5/10
C&C 4 = 0,05/10
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http://img823.imageshack.us/i/unbenannth.gif/
U mad?
No, now for real. F3 isnt bad, for sure! i played it, it is fun (pc is slower(or better, depends); ps3 is more comfitable). I understood the GEEK and i maded tons of mods. I planned to make Tutorials for it, but i'll never do it...
@ the people who think they are the best at the GEEK: you know how to edit Models, Textures, Game Values (maxLVL, XpReward, Walk Speed) and make maps? No? too bad 8)
Fallout New Vegas is more an fucking-huge remake of Fallout 3. It has some bugs, the stuff that is changed (wrong) from Fallout 1&2 to 3 is now more shit (ok, we missed marcus, but that is it!). If i would have the chance to get Fallout New Vegas or Fallout 3 (without played it before), 100% i would take F3.
People who never played Fallout would say "Fallout New Vegas is the best, it is the newest so it is the best. Point."
I would answer "You should play an Fallout game before you say this piece of Crap! You dont know about if it is the best."
Fallout New Vegas is for Fallout 3 like Command & Conquer 4 for the other Command & Conquer 's
Fallout 3 = 9/10
Fallout New Vegas = 6,5/10
C&C 3 = 5/10
C&C 4 = 0,05/10
Yea, New Vegas was a pretty big let down.
But I mean, Fallout isn't done yet; Bethesda still wants to make more...
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i would rate f3 better than new vegas, it was just more interesting.
And i would rate f2 better than f1, i enjoyed it more, much more variety in your playstyle in f2 :>
And im one of those who think that f1 and f2 is better than f3 and new vegas, but they aint shitty games neither :>
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New vegas felt more fleshed out then fallout 3 did, maybe that is just me but its seems to have more content and choices then fallout 3 ever had.
What sums up fallout 3 for me is this: nuke the town, dad says son i am disappoint. (ahh yes one becomes a ghoul but she seems not to mind :o)
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One think I don't like about NV is that the actual world map (what you can walk on) is like... half of the actual world map. It's anticlimactic when you realize the invisible walls are not even close to the edge.
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One think I don't like about NV is that the actual world map (what you can walk on) is like... half of the actual world map. It's anticlimactic when you realize the invisible walls are not even close to the edge.
I busted a gut at this. It's so damn true. xD
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One think I don't like about NV is that the actual world map (what you can walk on) is like... half of the actual world map. It's anticlimactic when you realize the invisible walls are not even close to the edge.
if a group of people would be with me together we would make a mod that adds more Space to the wasteland
Also i want to make (if some people join) an translation in german. (we have russia and english, now i want to make groups that translate it to their language
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All I gotta say is what is contained here: https://i.imgur.com/cQOuI.jpg
Deal with it.
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All I gotta say is what is contained here: https://i.imgur.com/cQOuI.jpg
Deal with it.
Where is your fucking medal for finding that picture?
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All I gotta say is what is contained here: https://i.imgur.com/cQOuI.jpg
Deal with it.
3 letters.
L O L
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All I gotta say is what is contained here: https://i.imgur.com/cQOuI.jpg
Deal with it.
hahahahaha; alright, that was pretty awesome.
whatever though. I still enjoyed it. I kind of feel bad for you guys who hate it so much...
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hahahahaha; alright, that was pretty awesome.
whatever though. I still enjoyed it. I kind of feel bad for you guys who hate it so much...
I enjoyed it little, it was nice to fill some time I couldn't find a use for, but it wasn't the best use after all. Thank goodness I didn't buy it. Pip-boys they shipped with collector's edition were made of crap and kept dying, I heard. Rented the game from Blockbuster or something else the sort of that kind of business they Blockbusters do, except they did console games.
Where is your fucking medal for finding that picture?
It just appears so that I lost it when I got nearly lynched for putting the following on the walls of my school just a day after Modern Warfare 2 was released:
- 20x prints https://i.imgur.com/cQOuI.jpg
- 20x prints of Modern Warfare 2 ending
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I don't like combinations Fallout + FPS (+3rd person)
I prefer more old ones, because story is not that simple as -> Born -> Yay i go kill some mutants with 10mm pistol -> lvl 20 already whoa -> damn looks like it's autumns turn already -> Yay.
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I don't like combinations Fallout + FPS (+3rd person)
I prefer more old ones, because story is not that simple as -> Born -> Yay i go kill some mutants with 10mm pistol -> lvl 20 already whoa -> damn looks like it's autumns turn already -> Yay.
thats kind of unfair.
hey dawg get water chip --> kay got chip kill mutants --> okay you killed mutants gtfo
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thats kind of unfair.
hey dawg get water chip --> kay got chip kill mutants --> okay you killed mutants gtfo
SPOILER ALERTS
FO3: hey dawg let's run away --> hey dawg i wanna stay and ride overseer's cock --> fuck you bitch im going outside --> 15 levels later --> RADIO: HELLO THIS IS BITCH I NEED HELP IN VAULT 101 OMG please U GAIS --> omg thx but gtfo u can't stay here kkk?
FO2: ye chosen one hath mission of sacred kind to retrieve ye olde holy geck --> thou hast slain a cunning, talking breed of demons and hence forth brought home the holy geck --> yo chosen try dis weed omfg dragonflies excreting shiny metal men why am i bleeding omg shitting dicknipples --> help the chinese <advice boy> here's your tanker, gtfo --> my name is Frank Sterroidan and fk u --> omg where are my legs semper fi --> chosen evacuates all the yokels and builds a superior city so VC can go hide in their ass
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Sonic the Hedgehog: --->
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I've never seen so much dumbfuck in one single thread. Congrats!
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TTG: BY ACCIDENT I QUOTED A WRONG GUY - PROBABLY THE RAGE THING.
How. How the hell finding your father + rip off from oblivions story was better than a fight for controlling the biggest city around <- by the way a plot which made way more sence.
Do I find it (F3's plot) boring and naive cause of my situation in real life, where i choose to live on my own - money no money, no matter what my family thinks about it? Cause i dont get it.
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How. How the hell finding your father + rip off from oblivions story was better than a fight for controlling the biggest city around <- by the way a plot which made way more sence.
Do I find it (F3's plot) boring and naive cause of my situation in real life, where i choose to live on my own - money no money, no matter what my family thinks about it? Cause i dont get it.
At least there was a story in f3, u didnt know what to exepect, NV was bullshit i came to new vegas talked to the shitty computer thingy and never turned on the game again. The story is bullshit and so are u. ::)
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Way to go champ.
I'll ignore the trolling part, just say:
In Fallout one the story is bullshit, you go get some thingie, talk to some guy and it ends.
In F2 The storry was even shittier. You go get some thingie, come back, just to go somewhere else and blow something up.
So ye - REALLY good point.
E/
@Down - Up top Surf, now we've shown him!
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The story is bullshit and so are u. ::)
Quality argumenting right there.
And yeah, if you are more into usual hilarious hollywood flicks, with more plotholes then china has civilians, then "Fallout" 3 is the way to go.
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LoL i had to troll.... but no hands down fallout 3 kept me with their story, surf u might think its holywood bullshit but i found it 20 times better then NV. Fallout 1 and 2 had a story by the way , or was i high on acid when i played it long time ago. It wasnt shown and cinematicly put as in F3 but there was deffenetly a story. Who u would be and how u would continue the story was absoluetly up to u and ur imagination.
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So youre saying FNV did not have a story?
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if a group of people would be with me together we would make a mod that adds more Space to the wasteland
Also i want to make (if some people join) an translation in german. (we have russia and english, now i want to make groups that translate it to their language
You just stick to Diablo 2 and everything will be fine.
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SPOILER ALERTS
FO3: hey dawg let's run away --> hey dawg i wanna stay and ride overseer's cock --> fuck you bitch im going outside --> 15 levels later --> RADIO: HELLO THIS IS BITCH I NEED HELP IN VAULT 101 OMG please U GAIS --> omg thx but gtfo u can't stay here kkk?
FO2: ye chosen one hath mission of sacred kind to retrieve ye olde holy geck --> thou hast slain a cunning, talking breed of demons and hence forth brought home the holy geck --> yo chosen try dis weed omfg dragonflies excreting shiny metal men why am i bleeding omg shitting dicknipples --> help the chinese <advice boy> here's your tanker, gtfo --> my name is Frank Sterroidan and fk u --> omg where are my legs semper fi --> chosen evacuates all the yokels and builds a superior city so VC can go hide in their ass
oh god this was hard to read.
I wasn't really trying to put the original Fallouts down... I was kind of saying that depending on how the story is perceived by somebody they can twist it in words anyway they want... Like how I made Fallout 1 sound really short? Its unfair that you say Fallout 3 is short and then make Fallout 2 sound like the biggest game in the universe just by stretching it out. Here, watch this.
There is drought, go get geck. --> Geck retrieved, save us from enclave --> Kill enclave save us
::)
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So youre saying FNV did not have a story?
No but to me the story was not as exilitrating as the first one... maybe because they ruined it months before it came out and said everything what would happen.... maybe it was the saem engine so the game wasnt as good... maybe maybe ,maybe.... but i will never know for sure...all i know it wasnt as good as f3... and f3 isnt even worth mentiong when it comes to f2
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My biggest disappointment with Vegas was the Strip, by a long way. It had been built up, hinted at, made out to be some incredible blend of pre-war sleaze and nuclear apocalypse survival. Instead we just got a few uninspiring quests and the most bizarre looking prostitutes I've ever seen in a video game. It felt flat, washed out and boring. Same with the towns on the outskirts, like Freeside etc. - they didn't feel like slums surrounding an ivory tower. I didn't feel any closer to Vegas than when I was in Primm.
The whole thing didn't feel 'connected', if that makes sense.
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My biggest disappointment with Vegas was the Strip, by a long way. It had been built up, hinted at, made out to be some incredible blend of pre-war sleaze and nuclear apocalypse survival. Instead we just got a few uninspiring quests and the most bizarre looking prostitutes I've ever seen in a video game. It felt flat, washed out and boring. Same with the towns on the outskirts, like Freeside etc. - they didn't feel like slums surrounding an ivory tower. I didn't feel any closer to Vegas than when I was in Primm.
The whole thing didn't feel 'connected', if that makes sense.
I actually preferred Freeside much more to the Strip; had a much more interesting feel while the Strip just seemed very over hyped and kind of dumb.
and the prostitutes are very strange...
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I actually liked the atmosphere of Freeside, but it didn't win me over like the NPC say "it's a very dangerous place where you can get jumped everywhere..." - yeah right, a few bums with prybars aren't even a challenge if you'd go in there with a level 1 character.. Anyway I like the fucked up look of it. As for the Strip, I hated Reno in FO2, I hate the Strip aswell.. I just don't buy the " gambling" stuff, it doesn't feel right for me. The quests on the strip were horrible too, I got lost so many times in these fucking casinos....
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I agree with Bager and Surf about the Strip.
I don't like the New Vegas Cowboy Gambler thing at all.
Fallout (http://www.dimensionfriki.com/img/2007-09/20070922_fallout.jpg)
=/=
New Vegas (http://www.pokergurus.com/ProdImages/cowboy.jpg)
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Agreed for the gambling, but I don't see why "cowboy" stuff is so much of a far fetch.. Fallout had a sci-fi western feel since the very first game. It also makes sense that people wear their everydays attire after the war - why should they suddenly ditch all their "cowboy" clothes and hats suddenly?
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There is drought, go get geck. --> Geck retrieved, save us from enclave --> Kill enclave save us
There is a broken waterchip, get a new one. -->Yay, waterchip, now save us from Master --> Kill supermutants save us. Thx, GTFO.
You can generalize everything, nevertheless, at least F-NV story elements wasn't such a bland rehash like Fallout 3.
Where do i start - big surprise, in a vault. But i have a daddy with issues (https://evbdn.eventbrite.com/s3-s3/eventlogos/5135595/gendoprofile.jpg), pardon the anime reference. Bastard king daddy would be more awesome than Liam Neeson.
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Agreed for the gambling, but I don't see why "cowboy" stuff is so much of a far fetch.. Fallout had a sci-fi western feel since the very first game. It also makes sense that people wear their everydays attire after the war - why should they suddenly ditch all their "cowboy" clothes and hats suddenly?
Not saying they should, but why should they all dress and speak like cowboys? I didn't see that in the other Fallouts, where people seemed to be wearing scavenged or handmade clothes of any kind, not just cowboy stuff to look like a bad ass "desperado" pistoleer. The "western feel" you talk about is true indeed, but "western feel" is not about clothes.
Edit: the New Vegas cowboy stuff, I can't find it here (http://www.dimensionfriki.com/img/2007-09/20070922_fallout.jpg), or here (http://www.blogdeconsolas.com/wp-content/uploads/fallout1.jpg), or here (http://www.game2u.ob.tc/fallout2_2.jpg), or here (http://www.freakygaming.com/gallery/role-playing_games/fallout/fallout_comic.jpg). I know it actually was there, especially in Junktown and Redding, and also in some other small cases like Roger Westin's clothes. But it certainly was not "the" style.
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I didn't stumble over that much pistoleer characters, maybe that's why.
As for the actual "Sci-Fi Western" - you probably got me wrong on that. I meant the feel of it is very close to what we now know as the "Wild West" - no laws, borderland, people shooting/robbing each other, etc. That's spot on the wild west theme and fallout had/has always a foot standing in it. You may also consider that New Vegas plays in Nevada, where people just tend to wear stuff like that (cowboy hats, etc), even in real life, while the original ones played in California, and (partly) Oregon, Nevada.
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As for the actual "Sci-Fi Western" - you probably got me wrong on that. I meant the feel of it is very close to what we now know as the "Wild West" - no laws, borderland, people shooting/robbing each other, etc. That's spot on the wild west theme and fallout had/has always a foot standing in it.
Yes I think I got you wrong. I did understand you meant that but I thought you were saying that "feel" was also about wearing cowboy clothes.
You may also consider that New Vegas plays in Nevada, where people just tend to wear stuff like that (cowboy hats, etc), even in real life, while the original ones played in California, and (partly) Oregon, Nevada.
I really hope it's like you say, and that it's about different regions of the USA. Anyway NV feels like a disguise party: cowboys, Romans, Mongols, Elvis :S
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Yeah, I've never got the hang of the Legion, I always just kill them on sight for their silly attire and gibberish they talk. Even if Sawyer always defends them, I still think the incarnation like they are potrayed in New Vegas is just a huge and blatant fail. The same goes for the Khans - while their quests and backgroundstory is ok, disgusing like djengis khan with those helmets is just... duh.. Yes I know, even the FO1 Khans were supposed to look like that (look at early drafts for character concepts) but in New Vegas? Fail. The fact that all the human models and faces in the Gamebyro Engine look like shit doesn't help either.
As for the Kings, when I first read about them, I thought the same as like with the Legion. Ingame, they actually turned out to be an interesting faction, I liked their backgroundstory.
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Yeah, I've never got the hang of the Legion, I always just kill them on sight for their silly attire and gibberish they talk.
Yeah, the Legion were clearly Sawyer's baby, and nobody had the authority/balls to step in and point out just how uninspiring they were as a faction. Despite all the THERE ARE NO GOOD GUYS it's pretty clear the NCR were much better for everyone. If it's a choice between bureaucracy and wholesale slaughter, I'll choose bureaucracy. Although I sided with House, if the man managed to survive nuclear war I think he has got his shit together. Plus I like blackjack.
I was expecting the Legion to be 'civilisation at any cost' - they will come in, butcher thousands, but life under their is actually an improvement on what your average loser experienced before they arrived (MUCH LIKE THE ROMANS). I didn't get a sense that Legion provided that at all, they just seemed to be conquering areas for the hell of it. I think Raul mentions how safe Arizona was, and Cass mentions how safe Legion caravans are, but you don't get a sense that the Legion have anything to offer. At all.
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Well, of course you wouldn't notice this considering the very area you play the game is under the Legions assault. They're not going to have caravans and stuff around in their enemy's own territory are they? When Romans fought they fought with full force at any cost, thats why it makes sense that you wouldn't see anything good from them as long as they were fighting where you happened to live.
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Well, of course you wouldn't notice this considering the very area you play the game is under the Legions assault. They're not going to have caravans and stuff around in their enemy's own territory are they? When Romans fought they fought with full force at any cost, thats why it makes sense that you wouldn't see anything good from them as long as they were fighting where you happened to live.
It makes sense, but it meant players weren't given any incentive to actually join the Legion. The path I was expecting the game to take was the player starting out thinking the NCR are the good guys and Legion bad, but as the game progressed you found out the NCR were very bloodthirsty and self serving and the Legion were actually totally capable of rebuilding society. It didn't go like that at all. Instead you find out that the NCR are just stretched too thin and the Legion are boring as hell.
I was particularly disappointed by Bitter Springs. Constant allusions to it by different characters, big thing in the prequel comic, and instead it's just 'Oh no the NCR killed an entire town LOOK LOOK WE DID MORAL AMBIGUITY'.
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But you don't get a sense that the Legion have anything to offer. At all.
I bet that in next DLC when you wander east, you will see/hear about hospitals, universities and orphanages and then you can think what have you done... And then, you can either become a Kaisar or a cause of the fall of Cisars not-so-evil Empire. O tempora, o mores...