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Title: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Theryon on March 28, 2011, 02:11:33 pm
I keep hearing this shit anytime someone kills you or kills someone else. Or my "favorite" one "Its just business"! Its just an escuse for people to do harm to other people. I saw a f**kt up image today... A friend of mine meet someone in an encounter...the guy whas fleeing so my friend shoot him to knock him uncouncios and give him something like an AR we had to spare... but he got a crit and the guy died. We told him  we will meet at the nearest town and give his items back but we never found him  :-\
The thing that whas f**kt up is... he had robber boots, shovel, smg and a few caps, junk,flint, not to much bullets. We felt like shit and we imagined that the guy had to work he probably shoveld shit for hours to get some caps and xp   :( Maybe he didnt have a tent, damn we all traveld that road and it suckt ... to lose something that you workt your ass of for hours. Even now I can get that image out of my mind...robber boots man, robber boots we kept saying to eachother. We lookt for the guy for 30 min or more keep thalking what loot shall we give him to make up for that shit.
My point is... yes wasteland is harsh but f**king people make it so! there's no PVP when you have lvl 21 and the other not even 10... I dont know what to say more...

P.S. Robber boots man, roober boots!   :-[
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Lexx on March 28, 2011, 02:15:55 pm
I still remember when I killed my very first player (in the open beta 1). It was so horrible and I felt like an arse for a very long time.

Today I kill groups of people and feel nothing.

I got cold, my heart is made of stone now.

Wasteland is harsh.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Floodnik on March 28, 2011, 02:17:55 pm
First, what he had, is 5 minutes of work(except rubber boots - you sometimes get them on character creation), not hours.
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there's no PVP when you have lvl 21 and the other not even 10...
That's normal and logical. Still you will have lvl 21 in no time, believe me.
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It was so horrible and I felt like an arse for a very long time.
I am sometimes feeling bad if I kill a 1lvl bluesuit too :P(except NCR maybe, this town is evil) But that doesn't happen often.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Wichura on March 28, 2011, 02:20:14 pm
No it's not!

(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1348/odboata.png)
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: vedaras on March 28, 2011, 02:25:20 pm
my friend shoot him to knock him uncouncios and give him something

genius ... the moral of your story.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Theryon on March 28, 2011, 02:29:49 pm
My point is he keept the robber boots and he whas lvl 4 or 5, he had all that junk on him and an armor with 50% det, I dont think he had a tent... Yes its easy for you because you probably have many alts, friends and you know the game but that guy... c'mon how many times do you think he died... he whas fighting rats and fleeing from mantis. I workt my ass 2 days untill I made my tent and learnd more about the world. 5 min my ass only I know how many boxes I carryd and how much shit I shoveld. Everytime you die you get some frustration and you lose some of the fun and wonder you had for playing... Not so much now but at the beginning...
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Badger on March 28, 2011, 02:42:54 pm
He's right, though, the wasteland is harsh.

Besides being able to see your opponent's HP. Or being able support yourself with several crafter alts. Or the millions of caps in Banks. Or autoaim mercs. Or the abundance of high end gear.

Or the fact this is possible. (http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2733/83636897.png)

But yeah. Super harsh. Definitely. Keep telling yourselves that.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Theryon on March 28, 2011, 02:44:00 pm
When whas the last time experiencet players had a 50% det armor or more (except some cases when you hunt for to long or you are to far away from the base to gear up) And how much do you enjoy yourself now...were is the trill when you have nothing to lose... I lost 4 FN FALLs 6000 caps and 200 7.62 ammo and I didnt feel s**t. I whas like "eh I will get something from the base/tent and hunt some more"
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Andr3aZ on March 28, 2011, 02:49:53 pm
I still remember when I killed my very first player (in the open beta 1). It was so horrible and I felt like an arse for a very long time.

Today I kill groups of people and feel nothing.

I got cold, my heart is made of stone now.

Wasteland is harsh.

You should quit industrial music, makes you a pking robot :-\
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Theryon on March 28, 2011, 02:51:16 pm
I get nothing from hording or haveing 5 trillion caps... if I have the basics in a big or moderate supply its ok by me.... The things get interesting when you are running out of ammo or something like that and you see the entire faction grouping to hunt and supply the base with much needed stuff, that is one fine looking picture. Its beautifull to see that you finally have something to do and that you must risk your ass a little. Apart from that all I see is hording, greed and f**kt ups shit that bores the crap out of me.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Kelin on March 28, 2011, 02:51:28 pm
He will either quit the game or get stronger after some time and kick your ass  ;)
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Blackmore on March 28, 2011, 02:55:11 pm
the guy whas fleeing so my friend shoot him to knock him uncouncios and give him something like an AR we had to spare... but he got a crit and the guy died.

I envy your level of intelligence.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Theryon on March 28, 2011, 02:56:45 pm
When whas the last time experiencet players had a 50% det armor or more (except some cases when you hunt for to long or you are to far away from the base to gear up) And how much do you enjoy yourself now...were is the trill when you have nothing to lose... I lost 4 FN FALLs 6000 caps and 200 7.62 ammo and I didnt feel s**t. I whas like "eh I will get something from the base/tent and hunt some more"

I get madder when I lose my condoms, Iguana, lighter and my shiv then for the caps or wepons/armors.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Badger on March 28, 2011, 02:59:56 pm
Well the game all but directly encourages hoarding through full loot. If you don't hoard, you're at a massive disadvantage.

The consequence of this is that people are prepared to do less. Nobody wants to risk their best gear, which is totally understandable.

I would be interested in trying a partial loot system or something. Full loot isn't harsh when you've got a base full of combat armour.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Eternauta on March 28, 2011, 03:04:07 pm
He's right, though, the wasteland is harsh.

Besides being able to see your opponent's HP. Or being able support yourself with several crafter alts. Or the millions of caps in Banks. Or autoaim mercs. Or the abundance of high end gear.

Or the fact this is possible. (http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2733/83636897.png)

But yeah. Super harsh. Definitely. Keep telling yourselves that.

Simple but strong, I agree completely. I laughed when I saw the screenshot in the link... I'd seen it already not so long ago, couldn't stand so much purple.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Who Killed Bambi on March 28, 2011, 03:12:46 pm
i get ragequit 3 hours ago till now when lost 13 lavandal flower books, just get killed by maradeurs in awesome lag.

rubber boots - awesome :D first time i get killed in random encounter at way from some town, with rubber boots, leather jacket ( :D ) and about 1k caps from shoveling. it was 3 month ago.
guys just say - *we like ur armor* and *man, wut can u doo with rubber boots, going to toxic caves*  :D

i hope few guys that pked me remeber how i shout STOP and PEACE :D but i think they have stone heart :D

i m still newbie, but now i can kill all (with huge luck). :D
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Theryon on March 28, 2011, 03:18:41 pm
"Wasteland is harsh!" Its only meant as a sarcastic remark This is the line people use when they ruin your game. Its harsh only for the little guy, the guy at the beginning of his journey, the guy that hopes for an immersive gameplay experience and wonders. I had more trills playing LoL after a 3 months of absence and I dont really like that game very much. Every time I start a new char I wonder, explore meet people and it's fun i dont get in touch with my faction unless I really need it. When I get an AR I am beyond happy because I did it all on my on. The little amount of quests keep me entertained for a wile and discovering something rare makes my day.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Who Killed Bambi on March 28, 2011, 03:19:59 pm
"Wasteland is harsh!" Its only meant as a sarcastic remark This is the line people use when they ruin your game. Its harsh only for the little guy, the guy at the beginning of his journey, the guy that hopes for an immersive gameplay experience and wonders. I had more trills playing LoL after a 3 months of absence and I dont really like that game very much. Every time I start a new char I wonder, explore meet people and it's fun i dont get in touch with my faction unless I really need it. When I get an AR I am beyond happy because I did it all on my on. The little amount of quests keep me entertained for a wile and discovering something rare makes my day.
i play by 1 char 3 month  :D
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Theryon on March 28, 2011, 03:22:20 pm
i get ragequit 3 hours ago till now when lost 13 lavandal flower books, just get killed by maradeurs in awesome lag.

rubber boots - awesome :D first time i get killed in random encounter at way from some town, with rubber boots, leather jacket ( :D ) and about 1k caps from shoveling. it was 3 month ago.
guys just say - *we like ur armor* and *man, wut can u doo with rubber boots, going to toxic caves*  :D

i hope few guys that pked me remeber how i shout STOP and PEACE :D but i think they have stone heart :D

i m still newbie, but now i can kill all (with huge luck). :D

Are you Cane Sugar? If so Hi and many many thanks! You helpt me when I started playing... you gave me a gun 5000 caps (god damn that whas a lot of money for me at that time :) I didnt know what to do with it) and an armor. I lost it all to a PK 10 min after but thank you verry much!
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Who Killed Bambi on March 28, 2011, 03:26:57 pm
Are you Cane Sugar? If so Hi and many many thanks! You helpt me when I started playing... you gave me a gun 5000 caps (god damn that whas a lot of money for me at that time :) I didnt know what to do with it) and an armor. I lost it all to a PK 10 min after but thank you verry much!
haha, yes :) hi guy  :D
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Theryon on March 28, 2011, 03:33:04 pm
Cane how can I get in contact with you? I'm working at several projects and maybe we can gather some good folks and bring them to life.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Vaimortal on March 28, 2011, 03:39:20 pm
Pk's , Pk's never change.

I still remember the first time i got killed and it was by a player , i swore him that i will learn this game and then track him down.
Aminirt im still looking for you , i think he is CS still does not matter will find him and kill him.
I have wrote down every player that had caused me serious damage when i was leveling my first character , and i have memorized them i will find them all sooner or later.  have killed few of them and every time i say something cruel to rub in their face and it feels so good. So yeah i even was happy when i got killed it just made my list bigger and more things to do.

So you will always have a chance to kill those mean PK's if your patient enough. Revenge takes time.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Theryon on March 28, 2011, 03:45:36 pm
Pk's , Pk's never change.

I still remember the first time i got killed and it was by a player , i swore him that i will learn this game and then track him down.
Aminirt im still looking for you , i think he is CS still does not matter will find him and kill him.
I have wrote down every player that had caused me serious damage when i was leveling my first character , and i have memorized them i will find them all sooner or later.  have killed few of them and every time i say something cruel to rub in their face and it feels so good. So yeah i even was happy when i got killed it just made my list bigger and more things to do.

So you will always have a chance to kill those mean PK's if your patient enough. Revenge takes time.

I have a list to :)) Nice to meet another list keeper! Hi!
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: _Youkai_ on March 28, 2011, 08:40:45 pm
If I was the noob. Right now, my mission would be: search and destroy you.  :D
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: pistacja on March 28, 2011, 09:54:34 pm
If all you have is a knife and a hammer and you get killed by some punk with a big gun (thx PIKA PII) then its just harshness. But geting shot twice in the same spot by the same dude (thx again PIKA PII) one must realy wonder why. Not for loot, unless you need a primitiv tool, for satisfaction? Pride? How brave...killing a bluesiut with a minigun...that's no chalange.  So maybe fear? Fear from loosing to someone of equal level and gear. Sad.

I never seek revange on the Pk (yes, I'm talking to you PIKA PII, and to you two PK from Gecko mine, who left the flower)...what point is in that? If they have tons of gear, they already ruined the game for themselvs. What joy gives a CA if you have 50 at your tent? Looting a good gun from a vs enc is only fun if that gun is all you have. This is like finding the 10th brahmin for the first time, a part of the game that you are not a part of.

I like this game for the times you meet a player that wants to help, but it would be nothing without the PKs.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: kiki123 on March 28, 2011, 09:58:23 pm
Hehe yeay and the last couple of days ive been getting aloooot of encouters .... which i havent a few weeks back... i guess the port's were fixed ... or mine opened or something.... ive keep getting encotuers every 10 minutes :) let the slaying begin
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Badger on March 28, 2011, 10:12:21 pm
There's a reason every popular MMO in the last ten years doesn't allow this kind of thing. More players are put off by it than enjoy it. It brings out the worst in people.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Reiniat on March 28, 2011, 11:33:30 pm
There's a reason every popular MMO in the last ten years doesn't allow this kind of thing. More players are put off by it than enjoy it. It brings out the worst in people.
yes is beautiful, this is the only game where no one is false

also wasteland is only harsh to weak people, superpowerful holy ones with instakill mercs have no problem with play this game, i agree with Pistacja if you can lose anything or risk something in a battle the games lose his atractive

im not against any pk, i remember in my very first game i get killed like 10 times for 28DaysAtfer and instead of have hate, i try to be like him(he kill with his own gun not with mercs). i can't have really hate to make a list of who pking me o remember all the names, i simply forget.

the only thing really mess this killing sistem are the mercs, i wish to eliminate them, but unfortunately it wont happen, any other think like grinding, alting, dynamite suiciders, or even thiefs is not bad and i accept it
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Amrok on March 29, 2011, 09:39:36 am
I fully agree with Theryon first post.
The 2238 suffers a deep lack of interest, and the 1st factor of it is the player-base.
Harsh ??? Only for RP & newscomer, badly...

As this project doesnt have find his cruise mod, players have to manage with features limitations and criticaly unbalanced things.
But without any major game mecanics polish/rebuild, I fail to see any interest once the start/discover time passed... and it is worse once lvl 21 reached.
From a single player as a squad one point of vue, there are some major gameplay issue.

Player-base left to its own... That is Hash !
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: OskaRus on March 29, 2011, 09:48:10 am
I think that every new player should be bursted repeatedly by avanger to let them know how great fun it will be while he make his lvl 21 and obtain avanger. It worked for me. :-) And dont try to lie to yourself, we all play this game because we wat to kill people and not go to jail. xD
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Amrok on March 29, 2011, 09:57:56 am
And dont try to lie to yourself, we all play this game because we wat to kill people and not go to jail. xD
Well, useless to recall that we dont have the same game approach.
But here is not the problem, as it still in the game universe.

The problem is only when some player fun is only to busy other. Speaking here about player, and not character.
It breaks all the game sense.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: avv on March 29, 2011, 10:33:31 am
Players can do whatever they want as long as there's consequences. It might seem that pks don't get consequences from their wrongdoings, but if you look at the town control list the dominating factions are anti-pk. Players who don't dedicate their life making it harder for others.
Pk-gangs happen to make more enemies than friends and it eventually backfires. Doesn't help the lonely nuub too much, however.

Another point of view could be mechanics vs player-driven justice. In ncr any evil bastard can walk around if he keeps the rep at bay. In Redding the players will remember you and what you did, they spread the word and soon he's shot on sight. Selling crap to shops or first aiding npcs won't protect you, only true apology. And even then there's still suspicion among the people who you wronged, these are true consequences. Downside is human error and the fact that mechanics don't support player-driven justice.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2011, 04:12:56 pm
Players can do whatever they want as long as there's consequences.

I can't think of a good way of adding consequences without interfering with TC. We can't have militia gunning down psychopaths because they can't differentiate between murder and a raid. I don't give a shit about TC, and would much rather see Domination totally replace it, but I can understand why people don't want it interfered with.

I'd like some kind of worldwide reputation thing - like the 'Bezerker' from the originals. But again, you have no way of differentiating between self defense and cold blooded murder.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: avv on March 29, 2011, 04:36:58 pm
I can't think of a good way of adding consequences without interfering with TC. We can't have militia gunning down psychopaths because they can't differentiate between murder and a raid. I don't give a shit about TC, and would much rather see Domination totally replace it, but I can understand why people don't want it interfered with.

It's not that much of about tc but knowing who's who.

I'd like some kind of worldwide reputation thing - like the 'Bezerker' from the originals. But again, you have no way of differentiating between self defense and cold blooded murder.

Mechanics will always be abused, that's so clear there's not even need to explain why. Players themselves are best law upholders, but also the worst. We're pretty succesful in Redding when it comes to finding out who's naughty and who's not.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Theryon on March 29, 2011, 04:54:03 pm
I'd like some kind of worldwide reputation thing - like the 'Bezerker' from the originals.

Achievements wold make the game more interesting and based on those achievements some karma perks wold go a long way towards gameplay.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2011, 04:57:04 pm
I'm trying to think a way of slightly adapting the current system to discourage cold blooded murder. If you could tell militia to behave like normal guards, that would go a long way. That way you don't have to always be around to make sure the town is safe.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Theryon on March 29, 2011, 05:08:30 pm
I'm trying to think a way of slightly adapting the current system to discourage cold blooded murder. If you could tell militia to behave like normal guards, that would go a long way. That way you don't have to always be around to make sure the town is safe.


Yes! Kind of sucks when you are gundown next to 5 militias or next to the bartender with 7 other npcs in the bar and the militia just watches the show... if it was New Reno I could understand but not even there because the mobsters could not afford to lose a potential "customer".
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2011, 05:15:32 pm
Yeah, I think people get the wrong idea about Reno because it's run by crime families. They exist in a vary precarious balance of power - if people start getting shot, that balance risks getting thrown out of whack. They're going to come down hard on that. If they didn't, blame would start getting tossed around, and there's a chance everything would come down on their Family.

Nor does it being unguarded improve it in any other way. Just ensures that it's empty.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Theryon on March 29, 2011, 06:11:31 pm
Wen I first started i thought that people will build a very good community Pks will be like riders in groups or solo, they will raid towns, caravans and stuff like that and others help build, become traders, fight the raiding partys, explore (you get the ideea).... traders will travel from city to city SELLING stuff... maybe some dungeons, new items, special things... I was kind of disappointed when I got deeper in the game but I still have hope and the thought that nothing comes easy (except in the game  :) ) and things will change (its still beta after all).

Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: bobek289 on March 30, 2011, 12:37:24 am
I envy your level of intelligence.

LOL! So f***ing true :D
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: avv on March 30, 2011, 11:57:22 am
Achievements wold make the game more interesting and based on those achievements some karma perks wold go a long way towards gameplay.

Best achievement is to achieve the trust of other players. No mechanical achievement will force players to trust others.

I'm trying to think a way of slightly adapting the current system to discourage cold blooded murder. If you could tell militia to behave like normal guards, that would go a long way. That way you don't have to always be around to make sure the town is safe.

What's needed is to tell militia to shoot enemies of faction and protect friends of faction. A new kind of status is required: a gang friend who doesn't see the base, but is protected by militia and gang's mercs.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Cola on March 30, 2011, 12:22:54 pm
I've been there my friend, belive me.
It's not an easy game and you will rage quit some times.
The best way to survive is to get some friends on FOnline.
You can, If you want, join TWF a.k.a The white flag.
We fight for peace and justice and we are an anti-pk gang.
At the moment we are a non-official gang, this means we don't have
a base at the moment and we are not in the system. But we will get that
as soon as possible. And we still have events, meetings and alot more fun!
We help eatch other and support eatch other. We help new players and teach them.
Everyone is welcomed to join TWF (with some small requirements), and you will be able to join.
I'm not a high level super experienced player with alot of skills, but I have alot of potential and leadership skills.
And my experience with FOnline will do the trick. Anyway, if you don't want to join my gang, try to find some friends
atleast. Or join one of the other gangs. And don't listen to the "experienced" players who only cares about lvl and caps...
Even a bluesuit can lead the biggest gang. Take care my friend.  :)
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: avv on March 30, 2011, 01:02:22 pm
I'm not a high level super experienced player with alot of skills, but I have alot of potential and leadership skills.

It's a bit offtopic but could you tell where did you learn leadership?
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Cola on March 30, 2011, 01:29:19 pm
It's a bit offtopic but could you tell where did you learn leadership?
I've been playing various online games where I owned my own communitys. I've been an administrator on alot communitys and I even own some off them. I am sorry but I cant tell you any names due to the forum rules. Also, I have led alot of factions on various games. And I love to lead and moderate things. I have alot of spare time and potentional, so I think I will suceed. I hope this answer pleased you, have a good time :) :)
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: avv on March 30, 2011, 01:36:45 pm
I've been playing various online games where I owned my own communitys. I've been an administrator on alot communitys and I even own some off them. I am sorry but I cant tell you any names due to the forum rules. Also, I have led alot of factions on various games. And I love to lead and moderate things. I have alot of spare time and potentional, so I think I will suceed. I hope this answer pleased you, have a good time :) :)

Did you have many members in those communities you led?
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Cola on March 30, 2011, 02:14:36 pm
Did you have many members in those communities you led?
  About 50 members.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Y0ssarian on March 31, 2011, 12:06:56 am
Would you rather lose equipment or a lvl 21 character? If people suddenly stopped respawning when they died as opposed to full item drop, the consequences suddenly change for both sides on the recieving end. Just look at Diablo II's hardcore mode. But of course none on this forum would ever consider such a change because it would be one step closer to a real wasteland. What a fun social experiment that would be...
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: avv on March 31, 2011, 12:08:56 pm
Would you rather lose equipment or a lvl 21 character? If people suddenly stopped respawning when they died as opposed to full item drop, the consequences suddenly change for both sides on the recieving end. Just look at Diablo II's hardcore mode. But of course none on this forum would ever consider such a change because it would be one step closer to a real wasteland. What a fun social experiment that would be...

It'd be much better if life was more expensive than any gear you had. The direct problem that would follow is that dying is too easy.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Badger on April 01, 2011, 04:33:10 pm
It'd be much better if life was more expensive than any gear you had. The direct problem that would follow is that dying is too easy.

Yeah. Hell, when I was on the BOS Navarro investigation quest I just dumped all my gear and made a series of suicide runs into the base. Which, when you think about it, is ridiculous.

But yeah, the problem is that dying is less important than your gear. But if you want to make death significant, you have to erase all the ways of dying which you couldn't have prevented. And that's a whole different problem.

I have only just now realised that the BOS knew exactly what the giant red object in Navarro was, and were just trying to get rid of me. Those bastards.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Amrok on April 02, 2011, 06:35:12 pm
Would you rather lose equipment or a lvl 21 character? If people suddenly stopped respawning when they died as opposed to full item drop, the consequences suddenly change for both sides on the recieving end. Just look at Diablo II's hardcore mode. But of course none on this forum would ever consider such a change because it would be one step closer to a real wasteland. What a fun social experiment that would be...
Me, and maybe more people than we usualy think.
But apparently, it will never be the case on the 2238 server.
As dev said before, having a "wasteland simulator" is not their goal.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: Vaimortal on April 02, 2011, 07:56:16 pm
Players can do whatever they want as long as there's consequences. It might seem that pks don't get consequences from their wrongdoings, but if you look at the town control list the dominating factions are anti-pk. Players who don't dedicate their life making it harder for others.
Pk-gangs happen to make more enemies than friends and it eventually backfires. Doesn't help the lonely nuub too much, however.

I don't know why but its not that pk gangs make to much enemies , it is just that pk factions rarely forge any alliances.
For example if CS would be active and would forge an alliance with a random pk gang formidable in size , you all would be fucked.
Most pk gangs play Free for all , if things change well your fucked ;D just my opinion.
Title: Re: Wasteland is harsh!
Post by: avv on April 02, 2011, 09:10:26 pm
I don't know why but its not that pk gangs make to much enemies , it is just that pk factions rarely forge any alliances.

The answer is right there: because they make so many enemies. They kill people regardless of their status, which can make the victims upset and unwilling to co operate with them.

In addition pk gangs might be so badly organized that they fail to uphold a general set of rules. It really hinders forming alliances. Pking doesn't really require any rules, just shoot everybody. But asking all members to behave and respect the alliance requires discipline that the gang doesn't likely have.